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sircosick 
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 Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:26 |
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The "problem with prog metal" is simple: it sounds noisy, soulless and overproduced, almost as industrial music. It's the worst mix that I've known (between prog rock and metal).
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:24 |
 oliverstoned wrote:
I much enjoy Jazzrock like Mahavisnu or Mc Laughlin which is far more virtuoso and technical and may be cold as well, but i find not-prog metal to be ugly and repetitive, wrongly technical. Without soul and un-inspired, plus carrying bad vibrations. Nothing progressive cause the music never evolves. I'm pretty sure you'll realize that one day, Miracle. You like too much good things besides.
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I have friends telling me the same things you wrote (in bold) on several of the genres I am listening to, including Krautrock bands (which I disagree with, but it's their view which is legitimate such as yours).
I am your age and "still" find metal appealing (all sorts) as much as I still find Krautrock, and all other genres of prog appealing. You don't necessarily grow out of this, it's not always a phase.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:02 |
Syzygy wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
People who don't like it don't like it because either it's too heavy for them to take and they prefer the lighter stuff(for example some older folks), don't like music that's too fast and technical(admittedly, most prog metal is), or they are just snobs too close minded to even give it a try. First two cases I respect, third one not.Same with Prog Electronic by the way, it's very similar to prog metal in a way, they are both extremes of prog music and about equally disliked. Prog metal haters just tend to be more outspoken for some reason. |
Cheeky young monkey!
I like a lot of mainstream heavy metal along the lines of Metallica, and I love Rush's albums from AFTK through to Moving Pictures (which pretty much set the precedent for prog metal).
I'm also a huge fan of Japanese bands like Ruins and Koenjihyakkei - prog doesn't get much faster or more technical than that.
I don't think much of most prog metal because a lot of the time, for me, it's a combination that doesn't really work. Tool and Counter World Experience have both impressed me, but the likes of Symphony X, Dream Theater et al just leave me cold.
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I much enjoy Jazzrock like Mahavisnu or Mc Laughlin which is far more virtuoso and technical and may be cold as well, but i find not-prog metal to be ugly and repetitive, wrongly technical. Without soul and un-inspired, plus carrying bad vibrations. Nothing progressive cause the music never evolves. I'm pretty sure you'll realize that one day, Miracle. You like too much good things besides.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:58 |
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^ it's not meant to sound pleasant ... prog also involves unpleasant sounds - rock, metal, any genre.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:56 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Floydian42 wrote:
I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone. |
Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.
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Yes but a distorted sound may be pleasant, which is never the case with metal "singing".
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Syzygy
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:54 |
The Miracle wrote:
People who don't like it don't like it because either it's too heavy for them to take and they prefer the lighter stuff(for example some older folks), don't like music that's too fast and technical(admittedly, most prog metal is), or they are just snobs too close minded to even give it a try. First two cases I respect, third one not.
Same with Prog Electronic by the way, it's very similar to prog metal in a way, they are both extremes of prog music and about equally disliked. Prog metal haters just tend to be more outspoken for some reason.
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Cheeky young monkey!
I like a lot of mainstream heavy metal along the lines of Metallica, and I love Rush's albums from AFTK through to Moving Pictures (which pretty much set the precedent for prog metal).
I'm also a huge fan of Japanese bands like Ruins and Koenjihyakkei - prog doesn't get much faster or more technical than that.
I don't think much of most prog metal because a lot of the time, for me, it's a combination that doesn't really work. Tool and Counter World Experience have both impressed me, but the likes of Symphony X, Dream Theater et al just leave me cold.
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:53 |
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I don't see any difference between metal and so-called "prog" metal or the differences are very superficial IMO.
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:12 |
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I like dark music! But usually not music that sounds evil, I think there is a difference between the two.
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magnus
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:11 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Modern metal including PM is just too hard and fast (and often dark in theme) for me.
Simply put: I don't like the sound it makes.
I don't like rap, or commercial country, either. No big deal -- there's lots of other music out there (and on this site) for me.  |
that's just the way it is  different people like different music - plain and simple. Imagine how boring it had been if people weren't different - if all of us were the same 
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Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie
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Peter
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:08 |
I can see why many like PM, and consider it "progressive," but modern metal (including PM) is just too hard and fast for me (and I generally can't relate to the lyrics).
Simply put: I don't like the sound it makes.
I don't like rap, or commercial country, either. No big deal -- there's lots of other music out there (and on this site) for me.
Edited by Peter Rideout - March 25 2007 at 15:13
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:55 |
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toolis
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:47 |
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the only problem with prog metal is that it is as real as any other prog X genre and this bothers some people for reasons only they know...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Floydian42
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:42 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Floydian42 wrote:
I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.
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Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.
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And I'm sure they never did.
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 13:24 |
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Not that many of the prog metal singers I have listened to scream into a microphone. Sometimes they might, but not most of the time.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 13:22 |
Floydian42 wrote:
I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.
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Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.
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Floydian42
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 12:44 |
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The closest thing to prog metal I listen too is Porcupine Tree, the only problem I really have with it is that it all sounds like forced to be epic over the top, which I don't like, and there's little variety in the sound. Also, I cannot stand most the vocals, and I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.
Although, I do respect the musician ship. A lot of those guitarist/keyboardists have a lot of skill and there are unique structures and time signature's and whatnot, it's just not my thing.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 12:33 |
^ it only critically wounded your perception of metal. 
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FruMp
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 12:30 |
Thyme Traveler wrote:
Seriously, I liked a lot of metal until around 1995, but something changed-there's just no good melody writing in today's metal (prog and otherwise). And maybe I am getting a bit older- but today's metal sounds like someone knocked over the china cabinet. |
I'm 100% with you on that stance, the nu-metal movement critically wounded good metal and the modern melodic and power metal movements finished it off and urinated on it's corpse. Of course that's my rather vulgar and graphic opinion on the matter anyway, I'm such an 80's metal nerd =P
Edited by FruMp - March 25 2007 at 12:33
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endlessepic
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 12:29 |
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When I listen to progressive music it is mostly for just plain musical enjoyment and to take me away to a better place. I admit, I enjoy some Metallica, its a guilty pleasure of mine (the symphonic metal album) but I usually just listen to that to get the energy out of my system. So when it comes to listening to prog metal, I actually do think it is pretty good but I'll have to be in the right mood.
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Penumbra
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Posted: March 25 2007 at 12:16 |
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I find prog metal repetitious ... and I cannot truly explain why. It is simply a feeling of mediocrity I get... I must explain this somehow.
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