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Nogbad_The_Bad
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As far as I am aware the answers are no & no. Unless they could change the weighting of collaborator & reviews. It's a popularity contest based on ratings from members. WYSIWYG.
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Ian
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dougmcauliffe
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It’s in my personal top 20. I wish it was as loved universally as some of their other albums. For now, I’ll just agree |
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As usual it's the Admins fault - how do they have any control over the Top 100 without changing the way it's calculated? Can they even do that? To be honest, it's a long time since I looked at the Top 100. I do feel it gives a fairly good representation of classic prog albums for any coming to the site for an insight into the wonderful world of prog. It's faults? Kind of Blue as others have mentioned and the fact that new releases tend to appear high in the list at first.
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twosteves
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Tales should be on the list---its an important prog album and u can't get more proggy.
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dougmcauliffe
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I def think albums like blacksstar, abbey road and related should be included. They have the ratings, apparently they just aren’t prog enough?
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Jazz is Jazz.
Metal is Metal. Prog is Prog. Those three genres are very close to my heart but they are separate genres. I doubt Close To The Edge appears on any jazz or metal "best of" list. This is problematic as it keeps some great LP's off the Top 100. Keep those artists on the site but off the chart!!! Like The Beatles. They are on the site but I don't see Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road on the list... Keep the Top 100 Prog!!!
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moshkito
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Hi, This would resolve itself easily enough if the top 100 was about the bands and THEIR music, instead of albums ... maybe a separate poll ... but in the end, one band having 5 albums, and another band having 4 albums and another band having 4 albums, is completely ridiculous and it just shows that the top 100 poll leans towards the "favoritism" of the whole thing ... and for this, I would say that a "review" should not, necessarily mean 10 points, but I can see how it can help ... most folks, I don't know for sure, will not bother with a review and might add one that is 25 words long (silly ... something like that!) ... just to get the extra votes, like the example above ... so almost 50 years of being known and heard is total caca compared to a band from 2 years ago. THAT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP ... nothing against that band! Again, have a poll that means a lot more and make sure you say that the "top" 100 bands does not necessarily mean that one is better than the other or ranks higher ... maybe even go so far as to rank them alphabetically so I don't get tired of seeing YES and GENESIS ... all over the damn place ... and I have their albums. I think the issue is ... the Admins here don't agree on much together, and worse ... getting them together is probably impossible with folks everywhere around the world ... one of the things that the top 100 poll conveniently lacks and dislikes!
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ExittheLemming
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Think of collaborators weighted ratings as akin to the US electoral college if you feel democratic representation is being undermined (or have you emigrated already?)
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Chaser
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To complain just because the top 100 does not agree with my personal top 100 would be simply churlish.
The diversity of opinion is what makes the site interesting I also think that people who bother to write a review should get more credit than those who just give a rating. Writing reviews needs to be encouraged. What does occasionally get my goat is seeing an album that's just been released, that has half a dozen senior reviewers fawning all over it, suddenly propelled into the top 50 ahead of classic prog albums that have hundreds of reviews. The number of reviews that an album has received ought to be given more weight in the ranking system.
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progaardvark
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Approximately only 20% of it contains releases from 1990 onward. It's one reason I don't take the top 100 seriously.
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Try to avoid gripes. People just complain too much. Naturally I am not excited about so many Italian prog albums there because I am not a fan of that part of prog at all, but I think it´s great thing to those who enjoy it.
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friso
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The PA top 100 makes a lot more sense if you split it between everything recorded before 1980 and everything after it. 'The Human Equation' and 'Symbolic' just can't be compared to 'Godbluff' and 'Meddle'. The PA top lists can easily be adjusted to finetune ones own tastes and interests. For me it functions perfectly, especially when you also use Rate Your Music's lists generator as a back-up reference.
For writing this post I took a look to the un-altered version of the all-time top 100 and was actually a bit surprised of the may records I used to own. I started counting and came to 30 records . |
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Cristi
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and I wasn't even talking about DT...
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Frenetic Zetetic
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I say pinnacle because ask anyone if they like progressive metal and the first thing they'll say is "Like Dream Theater?". My argument is that's a poor standard to go by lol. They are the definition of dry, safe, sterile metal in all manners for me. I also despise anything with falsetto vocals as = progressive metal. James Labrie is a bad vocalist in all ways that matter IMHO.
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ExittheLemming
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That it lends credence to Pedro's otherwise deranged posts/rants about how the PA membership treat music like a sports league table.
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Cristi
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Dream Theater hasn't been the pinnacle of anything in quite some time. There is plenty of intersting progressive metal out there. Sure, I've heard some bland/bad albums as well, but overall it's a genre I enjoy a lot.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I've just taken a look at the PA Top 100 and I don't have any problem with it at all. Most of the artists and albums in the chart tally with the voting results from all of the polls I've ever ran.
On the subject of Miles Davis, if he's going to be included in PA on account of his "Bitches Brew" album being Jazz-Rock/Fusion, then ALL of his albums have to be included too, including "Kind of Blue", so I have no problem at all with that particular album being in the PA Top 100, even though it's not remotely Prog-Rock, or even Jazz-Rock/Fusion.
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Guldbamsen
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My grippest bike with the top 100?
That it’s a “thing” How anyone can be annoyed by something as nonsensical as a popularity contest is beyond me. People have different tastebuds and rate the music accordingly...and the list forms after that. That being said, one of the few real annoyances I have with it is the level of ratings manipulation that follows suit. That is just sad. |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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I'd argue there's not a lot of high quality, non-sterile sounding progressive metal as a whole. Dream Theater is the pinnacle of what I avoid regarding progressive metal, yet they seem to be heralded as the end-all archetype of that style. We need more stuff like Gorguts Obscura. Basically Beefheart with better gear, downtuned lol.
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