Dire Straits: Prog-Related? YES.

StyLaZyn wrote: rushfan4 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: rushfan4 wrote: What does or doesn't happen with ABB has absolutely zero relation with might or might not happen with Dire Straits. ABB belongs much more so before Dire Straits.  In your opinion, that might be but it still has no bearing on any decision regarding either band.  I suspect it'll be a really cold day before either band is included but I'm sure that like with any other controversial bands, progressively speaking, arguments can be made for and against until the cows come home and more people will be unhappy than happy with the final decision. Of course it is my opinion. And that scenario already occurs. So what's one more?  Oh yah, admin aggravation. So that being said. I suspect no DIre Straits.

Stylie, disappointment that your opinion in & of itself is not enough to carry the day is really not a reason to dismiss the work of many at this site.
He's trying to tell you that one band's inclusion or exclusion does not impact the candidacy of another.
Add to that, that if you actually took the time to read posts from admins, collabs & reviewers, you would notice that neither this group nor the community at large indulge themselves in groupthink.
The difference from your behaviour is that collabs & admin notice that their own opinion is judged by the case they make, and they will win some AND lose some.
I ( & others) have not been able to amass a sufficiently strong case for System of a Down. They have been turned down for inclusion. For now. Would it surprise you to know that a new proposal would be considered as long as there is a fresh overview of their merit ? Re-read this - a fresh overview. Not simply re-stating the initial arguement.
And this may very well be the case for Dire Straits. You must have notived that not everybody has come out as rabidly anti-Dire Straits as you seem to believe. But the "official" stance is that the merit has not been proven. And , if you are not aware to begin with, Prog Related submissions are based on more than a few prog songs. Depending on the era, the influence, whether the group has at least one full blown prog album, are just some of the obvious things that are looked at.
So instead of whining that your idea wasn't accepted as gospel, why not, if you really believe that there is a case to be made for Dire Straits candidacy, well ... why not take some time, research , develop , sharpen and review your presentation and see if you can add anything constructive to help ALL of us to see that they are deserving.
Or you could just wait and whine about the next band that doesn't make it in, or does , despite your all knowing knowledge of what is truly prog.
Work at it, boy, work at it.

Who's next :

rosenbach wrote: Great band, but not prog at all to my ears. Sometimes i think people try to relate a favourite band to prog for an unknown reason to me.

Edited by JediJoker7169 - May 08 2009 at 17:32

rushfan4 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: rushfan4 wrote: What does or doesn't happen with ABB has absolutely zero relation with might or might not happen with Dire Straits. ABB belongs much more so before Dire Straits.  In your opinion, that might be but it still has no bearing on any decision regarding either band.  I suspect it'll be a really cold day before either band is included but I'm sure that like with any other controversial bands, progressively speaking, arguments can be made for and against until the cows come home and more people will be unhappy than happy with the final decision.

rushfan4 wrote: What does or doesn't happen with ABB has absolutely zero relation with might or might not happen with Dire Straits.

rushfan4 wrote: Deathrabbit wrote: Maybe I have just heard all the wrong songs, but to me this sounds ridiculous. Money For Nothing, Sultans of Swing, Julia, Brothers in Arms, absolutely zero prog in any of those. You are correct.  You have not heard the right songs yet.

Well what's a good album then? Or is it just a smattering of PR songs here and there?

What's amazing, JediJoker, is you haven't included 'Telegraph Road', the most proggy thing they ever did.

Here's my argument against their inclusion (and bands like them). Dire Straits is world-renowned not for their progressive rock, but for their stripped-down, guitar-centric classic rock. They were the foremost rock revival band in the world in the early 80s dominated by post-punk and new wave. Like thousands of bands, their music was influenced by prog, and some of what they did was arranged with a sound similar to the classic British symphonic prog era. But at heart these songs, despite their increasingly elaborate arrangements (culminating in the fabulous 'Love over Gold'), are simple rock songs.

I love Dire Straits, and I acknowledge the influence prog rock had on their music, but they are not primarily a prog rock band. They are a classic rock band with prog influences in their song arrangements. In my opinion that is not enough to see them included here, even under prog-related.

Though anyone with even the slightest interest in prog ought to listen to 'Telegraph Road'.

No ABB, then no Dire Straits.

JediJoker7169 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: They've certainly got some prog in them so they could easily be added, but I have no ambitions about it. I hear there's tons of actual prog bands waiting for addition so perhaps it's not necessary to add any related things in the queue. Now there's an argument I can appreciate. But what if someone offered to do all the gruntwork (release research, biography, artwork, etc.)?  I would be more than willing to look into it over the summer.  I just feel kinda strongly about Dire Straits deserving to be recognized.

I big yes to add Dire Straits to prog related