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Dean
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 14:13 |
Tapfret wrote:
Its all story telling, who cares? Choosing your reality by imitation of fiction is sociopathic in any context. And it certainly doesn't help to worry about what lyrics appeal to others. Feeding the hysteria is only beneficial to the sociopaths. |
Mansun's AN OPEN LETTER TO THE LYRICAL TRAINSPOTTER: "The lyrics aren't supposed to mean that much, They're just a vehicle for a lovely voice."
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Dean
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 14:08 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Did you know that the more I say a word to you the more - if you're responsive - you will come to accept that word - Psych 3. I aint accepting Satan or anything else. |
Not strictly true - more often than not the listenner becomes innured and unresponsive - repeat something enough times and people will simply ignore the message.
Personnaly I find lyrics about satan amusing - satan is a creation of the christian religions and not a religion in it's own right (you cannot believe in satan if you don't beleive in the existance of a god) - very few (if any?) Metal bands (Extreme or otherwise) preach satanism, even if they use it as subject matter (any more than they "believe" in trolls, goblins, dragons and other fantastical creatures)
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Tapfret
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 14:07 |
Its all story telling, who cares? Choosing your reality by imitation of fiction is sociopathic in any context. And it certainly doesn't help to worry about what lyrics appeal to others. Feeding the hysteria is only beneficial to the sociopaths.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:55 |
Did you know that the more I say a word to you the more - if you're responsive - you will come to accept that word - Psych 3. I aint accepting Satan or anything else.
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Dean
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:53 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
Hah - Rushfan - you're right. Is he on Progarchives??? If not maybe I got me a new banner!!!!!! |
Yes, he's here - read the Biog before jumping on any band wagons - he is here because he is a Prog composer.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:53 |
Hi Dean! The point is that I want to know from said lyrricist why Satan needs to be in the track at all. Why Satan, why Christ - God Forbid an Islam prophet!!
Why can't the guy use some intelligence and sing about Mount Everist or Bald Eagles! I'll tell you why - because some sing about what's on their mind and the more they sing about it the more it's on their mind!!!! Glad I don't have some minds!!!!
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Dean
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:50 |
The lyrical content of a song is about the lyricist, not the listener. As a listener you are free to interpret a song how you wish, and to agree or disagree with the content as you see fit - I doubt anyone would take Black Widow's call to " Come, come, come to the Sabbath, Satan's here." as an excuse to dance naked around a fire. ... ...
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:49 |
Hah - Rushfan - you're right. Is he on Progarchives??? If not maybe I got me a new banner!!!!!!
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:49 |
And King Crimson had a Talking Drum.
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:47 |
Steve Vai used to make his guitar talk.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:46 |
Hi Vompatti - I've yet to hear an instrument talk LOL.
Violent music could refer to rapids in a river - it doesn't have to mean bashing your neigbour.
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:43 |
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:39 |
Hi Startibartfast - maybe that's a bit paranoid???? Rush singing about a red sports car or Trees (although that one is really about politics and Capitalism but it is not judgemental or offensive) is fine. I've no problem with the vast majority of bands out there. It's the few who want to do something like a prayer to Satan or to God musically - or who want to push their rage and the like.
By the way rage is a very powerful emotion - ask any lynch mob. That's essentially what I have against the extreme metal guys - no offense intended to them.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:33 |
I am extremely worried about lyrical content and the only solution is to listen to instrumental prog exclusively.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:27 |
Hi Vompatti - Agreed - I have no problems with either of the two Tull albums - they question and religion is used without insulting it. Love Tull.
topofsm -Anderson is against religion but he doesn't use any opportunity to bash it musically - good musician, he cares about his art.
I don't care whether a musician is an atheist, a satanist or a Christian - whether he is a terrorist or a soldier - I don't need to here his views on the subject when those views are pointed. Anderson proves that you don't have to!!!
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topofsm
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:20 |
I have a question. I've always wondered if Anderson is so against religion (or the way people use it to get power over others, as you said), then why does he have a christmas album?
As for me, I don't really care what the lyrics are about, unless they're REALLY good. I think that's part of why I enjoy Floyd, Tool, and Crimson so much. As for the other stuff, they could be about the worst stuff imaginable, and I'd still listen to it if the music was good.
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 10:21 |
Sean Trane wrote:
You oughta hear Tull's Aqualung and TAAB, anti-religiouis and anti-sopcietal, yet among the most brilliant texts ever put to music |
Both are awesome albums, but I don't consider either of them to be anti-religious. Anderson's criticism is not aimed at religion itself but people who use religion as a device to get power over others and who distort the image of God to fit their own goals. That said, I do think that the view of God on those albums is not exactly traditionally Christian (which I think is neither a good or a bad thing).
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:04 |
Hi Rocktopus - Rush proved that you can be very interesting and sing about Trees, Cars and many other things other than love!!!
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Rocktopus
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:51 |
slaver wrote:
To my mind their is world of things to sing about other than religion, politics, racism, violence. |
Ha-ha! That's four extremely relevant and essential things to sing about, if you ask me. All these love songs (not so much in prog) are what's worrying me.
Really, I don't worry about lyrical content. I obviously wouldn't listen to a racist group, but to my knowledge that kind of crap doesn't exist in fairly advanced, intelligent music. Both satanist and christian lyrics are fine with me (occult and pagan lyrics are more than fine), although they both believe in stuff I don't.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:42 |
Hi Visitor13. Korn's attitude was almost hatred in that regard! There I don't blame them. There's a movie called "the Girl next door" - the Ketchum one - that's worthwhile watching but very very harrowing!
Korn are a lot more complex than many here give them credit for but I refuse to go down that road again.
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