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darkmatter 
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 Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:37 |
 vingaton wrote:
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"Then it would just be a music website. "
It already is
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You know what I mean, it would just be a rock music website, rather than a progressive rock website.
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fuxi
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:36 |
The Doctor wrote:
I don't think the Who really belong here, although I'm a big fan of their music and think they occasionally show prog flourishes. |
I totally agree. I also think the present system is perfectly fine!
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vingaton
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:36 |
from darkmatter
"Then it would just be a music website. "
It already is
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I want to see beyond that tree
And defy the force of gravity
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:34 |
I really wish they would actually tighten the scope of the site and keep it truly prog. I hate to see it continue to slide to the point of this being an all out rock site. Leave the name alone and keep it truly PROG. That is what makes it special in the first place.
Just my opinion.
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explodingjosh
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:32 |
mystic fred wrote:
one way to sort this out would be to create a sister site called "Rock Archives", and if it was successful we could create a site called "Jazz Archives", then one called "Blues Archives" , then "Classic Archives"....then......
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 I would never leave my computer. Sooo many times have I dreamed about a collection of websites as comprehensive as this one, especially for Classical.
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The Doctor
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:28 |
Yes, Prog Archives should be renamed Prog Music Archives. Otherwise people might think it has to do with Prog Automobiles, or Prog Reading Material, or Prog Gun Collecting. 
To be honest, I don't think the Who really belong here, although I'm a big fan of their music and think they occasionally show prog flourishes. I don't even think Zeppelin belongs here, although I don't really like this band. However, I'm not going to get upset by the inclusion of bands which I don't necessarily think of as prog. And I'm not opposed to a more expansive "prog related" category where bands which a good majority of prog-lovers might also get enjoyment from are listed. So there's my two cents which really wasn't even worth that.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Chris H
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:27 |
mystic fred wrote:
one way to sort this out would be to create a sister site called "Rock Archives", and if it was successful we could create a site called "Jazz Archives", then one called "Blues Archives" , then "Classic Archives"....then......
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And then " Pop-Rock Emo Archives"??? 
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explodingjosh
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:24 |
Zappa88 wrote:
darkmatter is right, if we just start adding bands that have no ties to progressive rock other than the fact that one random prog fans likes them, this will fast become just a "Music Archive", and that wasn't the aim of this website.
I see you mentioned System of a Down in your description, explodingjosh, and those are the types of bands that have absolutely no types of ties to the progressive rock genre, as vast as it is.
This debate seems kind of pointles to me, I mean what is so hard about just adding prog bands to a prog website?  |
Yea I seriously debated mentioning SystemOAD.  Maybe I'm just a fanboy. Or maybe I'm right.
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mystic fred
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:22 |
one way to sort this out would be to create a sister site called " Rock Archives", and if it was successful we could create a site called " Jazz Archives", then one called " Blues Archives" , then " Classic Archives"....then......
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explodingjosh
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:19 |
Moogtron III wrote:
And why not much more bands / artists, like The Who and Jimi Hendrix, in "prog related"? I think we will always disagree about which bands should be added and which not. I think "prog related" is a good section for a big, big number of bands. |
Hey I'm fine with that too. Just make the "Prog Related" section more open.
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Chris H
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:18 |
darkmatter is right, if we just start adding bands that have no ties to progressive rock other than the fact that one random prog fans likes them, this will fast become just a "Music Archive", and that wasn't the aim of this website.
I see you mentioned System of a Down in your description, explodingjosh, and those are the types of bands that have absolutely no types of ties to the progressive rock genre, as vast as it is.
This debate seems kind of pointles to me, I mean what is so hard about just adding prog bands to a prog website? |
Beauty will save the world.
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Dean
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:17 |
I think it is fine as it is.
If it were more loosely defined we wouldn't have all these lively and informative debates on who to add (or not). And by not blindly following the If X then Y arguments then Y has to be justified on it's own merits, which is healthy and right.
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explodingjosh
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:15 |
I completely agree with Logan... as long as the sections are clearly labeled as "not necessarily prog", I have no problem with it as a prog fan.
Because my friends have even seen me look up Zeppelin's discography by using ProgArchives, and before one of them even finished asking "Wait, what?? Zeppelin is prog?", he saw that Zep was in the Prog Related section and everything made sense again.
I think it would say something about the prog fan. I think that such expansion would reflect the idea that prog fans don't just listen to prog. I'd feel that it would be a sort of "pat on the back" for us, to show that we can be conossieurs of music in general.
It all comes back to just how conservative we should be about the site...but it is ProgArchives.com, not ProgRockArchives.com, so....
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Dirk
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:14 |
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^Cmidkiff, agreed, The site already has strayed quite far from what was meant by progressive music in the 70's. If the name was changed to Music Archives we wouldn't have tedious discussions about adding bands like Iron Maiden and Split Enz.Moreover excellent bands like the Kinks and Creedence Clearwater Revival could be added without there being endless discussions about there being prog or not.
Edited by Dirk - June 21 2007 at 15:16
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darkmatter
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:12 |
explodingjosh wrote:
Yea I would also love to see expansion in the site.
Maybe a "Also Loved by Prog Fans" section of some sort.... Something that could include Miles Davis, The Who, System of a Down, Bjork, Aphex Twin, Hendrix or whatever you guys also like.
"A section including bands with progressive ideas that are appreciated by fans of Prog Rock, but aren't necessarily progressive in their entire catalouge." ...something like that.
Porcupine Tree would fit nicely. 
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Adding bands "also loved by prog fans" would dilute this website too much with bands that aren't truly prog rock bands. I'm sure there are countless bands out there that people here like that aren't prog rock. This site shouldn't become "Music Archives". I think this website should stay the way it is, for the most part.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 15:12 |
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And why not much more bands / artists, like The Who and Jimi Hendrix, in "prog related"? I think we will always disagree about which bands should be added and which not. I think "prog related" is a good section for a big, big number of bands.
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cmidkiff
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:55 |
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They should probably just change it to "Music Archives". Eventually it will get there.
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explodingjosh
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:54 |
Yea I would also love to see expansion in the site.
Maybe a "Also Loved by Prog Fans" section of some sort.... Something that could include Miles Davis, The Who, System of a Down, Bjork, Aphex Twin, Hendrix or whatever you guys also like.
"A section including bands with progressive ideas that are appreciated by fans of Prog Rock, but aren't necessarily progressive in their entire catalouge." ...something like that.
Porcupine Tree would fit nicely.
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darkmatter
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:44 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
Well, after reading a bit of the Dredg thread, I had an idea.
Someone (i'm sorry, I don't remember who said it...) said that Dredg definitely had some progressive ideas, but isn't really a prog band. However, they should be in the archives becuase they are a band that fans of prog are undoubtably interested in them and enjoy them.
So I think if we keep it ProgArchive, but add a section for interesting bands with progressive ideas like Dredg and The Who and others we will benefit from it.
If we change the directiong from archiving a definitive list and information of Progressive bands, to a site collecting information of bands that the progressive community enjoys to spread the word about bands, I think that it will give us a site that we all want. |
If many "interesting bands with progressive ideas" were added to this site, it would become too diluted by bands that aren't truly prog rock. It sounds like what you're talking about are the proto-prog and prog-related categories. While it helps to have those two categories, they are not the priority of the site in which to add bands. The priority is to add progressive rock bands, not bands with progressive tendencies that aren't prog rock. And if the site was changed to a collection of information of "bands that the progressive community enjoys", I think that would defeat the purpose of this being a progressive rock website, since progressive rock fans enjoy music that is not just prog. Then it would just be a music website.
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Chris H
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:37 |
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I say that the more big changse that get made to the site, the more unhappy members. Why not just leave it as it is, with the existing name and criteria for addition? This was born as a strictly progressive rock database, and bands that aren't full progressive rock shouldn't be added in the first place, therefore we shouldn't maipulate the site's name or genre categories to fit them in.
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