PA Album of the Year Discussion thread

Lumenko wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ You can still use the time until end of January to get Legs on Wheels into the database ... in the meantime you can use my tool to make your list count Well, I just made the suggestion in the relevant subforum. This time, hopefully, I accomplished everything correctly.

No you did not - the only relevant thread as to the report that will be generated is this thread. But if it makes you happy, go ahead thinking you did

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 06 2023 at 23:31

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ Here's an important observation: Some of us have listened to a LOT of albums from 2023, some have not. I have listened to more than 250, and my top 20 is comprised ONLY of releases that are completely awesome (to me). Someone else on the other hand who has only listened to 20 releases (hypothetically) might indeed not particularly care about their #18. I would recommend that everyone who puts up a list only includes releases they would recommend (or in other words: awesome releases). There's no point in including bad or mediocre releases just because you have listened to them - putting up a shorter list is better in that case.

Small improvement: I added a separate tab for the combined chart, so you can check the lists of individual users without seeing the end result.

Sean Trane wrote: Zopp's second album (which is IMHO lesser than the debut)

I couldn't agree more. I included Zopp's "Dominion" on my list, which dropped because I didn't understand how this contest was going at first, only because Manchester band Legs on Wheels, whose album "L E G R O O M" is actually a better 'Canterbury' record than "Dominion," is still not in the Progarchive database.

richardh wrote: ''Voter fraud'' , we are aren't electing the next president of the universe

Sean Trane wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: I don't know how this was done the last time ... I agree with Ian, if you don't want to know the result before it is made final, you can choose to just not look. But if it's about nobody else being able to look - I could implement that, if more people think it matters. One solution would be to just show all the individual user lists on the results page until no more votes are accepted. The good thing about how it is currently implemented is that only real forum users can vote, and there can only be one list per user. If we really start to see attempts of manipulation (e.g. lots of brand new forum users casting votes) we could look at excluding these (e.g. joined before this month). We're not talking of stuffing ballots boxes here  (and we're excluding Svettie before he starts voting all serbian artistes.)   Well, in previous years, we were able to see other collab's temporary or in-progress lists allright, but we never saw them compiled until the votes were closed, which meant that you actually had to start counting and adding if you wanted to skew the polls. Even final lists, we could see them for the early posters. And we had no problems with that (seeing the collabss lists), because they actually told us on what we may have missed out on. We had concertation & discussions between us, like almost every site that sets up yearly top lists. In some cases, we even hurried to include an artist in the DB (yup, that DB inclusion rule again) so we could vote for it.  With your system here you can see that Zopp's second album (which is IMHO lesser than the debut) has such a high advance in terms of points that one might not give them points since they don't need it. Sooooo, it's not the access to different lists that I'm objecting to, but opening the link  you gave us and seeing the results already compiled (if only partially) that's an issue (with me, anyways). Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your efforts to get this done, if only because we're not sure we could get it done this year, given the sorry state of the site. BTW, I'm posting again via Edge, cos too many things are not available via Firefox.  .

MikeEnRegalia wrote: I don't know how this was done the last time ... I agree with Ian, if you don't want to know the result before it is made final, you can choose to just not look. But if it's about nobody else being able to look - I could implement that, if more people think it matters. One solution would be to just show all the individual user lists on the results page until no more votes are accepted. The good thing about how it is currently implemented is that only real forum users can vote, and there can only be one list per user. If we really start to see attempts of manipulation (e.g. lots of brand new forum users casting votes) we could look at excluding these (e.g. joined before this month).

Edited by Sean Trane - December 06 2023 at 01:53

I don't know how this was done the last time ... I agree with Ian, if you don't want to know the result before it is made final, you can choose to just not look.

But if it's about nobody else being able to look - I could implement that, if more people think it matters. One solution would be to just show all the individual user lists on the results page until no more votes are accepted.

The good thing about how it is currently implemented is that only real forum users can vote, and there can only be one list per user. If we really start to see attempts of manipulation (e.g. lots of brand new forum users casting votes) we could look at excluding these (e.g. joined before this month).



Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 05 2023 at 23:23

Then don't look!

Got to think it will be open until at least the end of January. I know I'll change mine a bunch.

Catcher10 wrote: Normally Tapfret would ask for the list in late December or in January……I’ll start working on my list for submission. Glad there will be more participation.

I've opened my list this evening

45 albums at first thought

MikeEnRegalia wrote: I modified the results page a little bit to better visualize the participants. Still mostly (special) collabs ... you can change that with a couple of clicks

Are these all lists (and points alloted) already final??

TBH, I don't like the idea of knowing the album results before I place & enter my own choices.



Edited by Sean Trane - December 05 2023 at 16:42