What’s your biggest gripe with the top 100

richardh wrote: Ultimately the top 100 is a showcase for the best 'progressive' rock music ever made. Take it as a suggestion of what is worth checking out first. The problem is that people have their own tastes and put more emphasis on this or that or the other in terms of the content of the music. Music is art but does have an element of sport in terms of how complicated it is or how fast you can play an instrument. This is something that has some value in music.

I don't really have any beef - in the 'it is what it is' camp really.

The Kind of Blue chestnut comes up again and again on the forums, understandably, and I've even found myself explaining it on other sites where it has been used to poke fun at PA. FWIW I think the policy of full inclusion of an artist's work when they are added is clearly preferable to the alternative, even given this kind of unintended consequence.

Having said all that, it strikes me that a possible way of fixing the issue would be to add a filter to the Top 100 algorithm that would eliminate any album released before (say) 1966. This would remove Kind of Blue and prevent other albums recorded before there was any progressive rock from featuring. But I dare say this has been thought of before and rejected.

Edited by Mascodagama - February 19 2020 at 01:45

ForestFriend wrote: dougmcauliffe wrote: I def think albums like blacksstar, abbey road and related should be included. They have the ratings, apparently they just aren’t prog enough? As far as this website is concerned, the "Proto Prog" and "Prog Related" categories are not prog rock, so they're not included on the top 100. But I would disagree with the notion that jazz fusion or the various prog metal categories shouldn't be included. Some jazz fusion has a lot of prog rock influence (e.g., Return To Forever's Romantic Warrior) - as in, the music sounds like fusion of jazz and prog, not simply jazz and rock. And metal is a subgenre of rock, so as far as I'm concerned, a prog metal band is a kind of prog rock band. May not be your cup of tea, but removing prog metal would make as much sense as removing bands who aren't symphonic enough.

judahbenkenobi wrote: I've given Wobbler's "From Silence to Somewhere" and All Traps on Earth a thousand spins and just can't get to like them! I just don't understand how they're in the top 30, while ELP is barely present in the list

No major gripes,,,but like some I'm not sure why some jazz and metal things are on there ahead of actual prog rock lp's.

ForestFriend wrote: dougmcauliffe wrote: I def think albums like blacksstar, abbey road and related should be included. They have the ratings, apparently they just aren’t prog enough? As far as this website is concerned, the "Proto Prog" and "Prog Related" categories are not prog rock, so they're not included on the top 100. But I would disagree with the notion that jazz fusion or the various prog metal categories shouldn't be included. Some jazz fusion has a lot of prog rock influence (e.g., Return To Forever's Romantic Warrior) - as in, the music sounds like fusion of jazz and prog, not simply jazz and rock. And metal is a subgenre of rock, so as far as I'm concerned, a prog metal band is a kind of prog rock band. May not be your cup of tea, but removing prog metal would make as much sense as removing bands who aren't symphonic enough.

I agree, I’m all for fusion and prog metal being included. Remember, we are progarchives, not progrockarchives. Why should an album like images and words which is one of the most influential prog albums ever be excluded?

Edited by dougmcauliffe - February 18 2020 at 18:03

No gripe, couldn't care less.

The Dark Elf wrote: Every jazz album that the artists themselves would not have considered "progressive rock" (I am looking at you, Miles Davis, Billy Cobham, Nucleus, etc.). Also, I find it a joke that  A Drop Of Light All Traps On Earth is rated 28th with only 433 ratings. WTF? Look at the masterpieces that are following it, and ones that aren't even on the 100 list. Any sentient member would not consider this some kind of masterpiece better than Hot Rats, The Yes Album, Meddle, Crime of the Century, ELP debut, Lateralus, Voyage of the Acolyte, A Trick of the Tail, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, A Farewell to Kings, Rock Bottom, Aqualung (which isn't even on the list), etc.  Even funnier "All Traps On Earth" was not even voted as one of the TOP 50 in the 2018 Prog Archives Collaborators Album of the Year. Again, WTF? There's a bad QWR quotient in the voting tabulation somewhere.

I've given Wobbler's "From Silence to Somewhere" and All Traps on Earth a thousand spins and just can't get to like them! I just don't understand how they're in the top 30, while ELP is barely present in the list