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Odd24 
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 14:06 |
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It's not that rare for tunes in 4/4 to have the odd bar in 2/4, eg. leading to the chorus or something like that. It's not that common either, but by no means unheard of. |
This is correct. In the end of the sixties and during the seventies it was rather common to do this. Nowadays I get the feeling it is getting obsolete, it is not done as often as it used to be done (just like progrock sometimes seems to be ). But maybe there will be a revival, who knows (another Woodstock???). I think Outkast sets a step in the right direction. I wasn't very fond of "Miss Jackson" (only for the emotional irony maybe) but I liked the song "Hey ya" the first time that I heard it.
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 11:29 |
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It's not that rare for tunes in 4/4 to have the odd bar in 2/4, eg. leading to the chorus or something like that. It's not that common either, but by no means unheard of.
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 23:17 |
Arsillus wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Odd24 wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard the hip-hop song "Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I found something that said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and listened to it (my friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This is the first odd time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast will do more stuff like this in the future...maybe... |
I guess this means OutKast needs to be in the Archives.
They are so prog!
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If so...then Kate Bush, Simon & Garfunkel & the Beatles are prog too. Just listen respectively to Egypt, America and Hapiness is a warm gun and I can even mention more examples (which I will not do because that will be a very very long story...)
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well , a lot of people say that the beatles are prog. except for their radio hits I had only listen to a few song of them. I like "strawberry fields" a lot. Can someone recommend me songs of the beatles that are closer to prog? (sorry for my bad english, I forget all my classes)
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Try "Revolver." It is excellent. 
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:21 |
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
My point is that there is no radio station here that broadcasts prog on a regular basis, not even on an irregular one. The only bearable (and indeed excellent) radio channel we receive here is WDR 3, and there is the slight possibility for the occasional prog tune Mo-Fr between 3 pm and 5 pm in a special program named "Musikpassagen". There is always excellent music in "Musikpassagen", and on WDR 3 as a whole, but only 1% of it is prog at the most (probably 0.05% would be more accurate). The music on all other radio channels is crap though, so if we are not listening to a record from our collection we listen to WDR3. It is an excellent radio station, just with very little prog.
But all other channels are simply unbearable.
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Yes but no one mentioned prog radio stations.
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Awww, unfortunately not. I'm afraid the only Prog radio stations I've heard is on the internet.
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:20 |
Astaroth wrote:
Odd24 wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard the hip-hop song "Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I found something that said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and listened to it (my friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This is the first odd time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast will do more stuff like this in the future...maybe... |
I guess this means OutKast needs to be in the Archives.
They are so prog!
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If so...then Kate Bush, Simon & Garfunkel & the Beatles are prog too. Just listen respectively to Egypt, America and Hapiness is a warm gun and I can even mention more examples (which I will not do because that will be a very very long story...)
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well , a lot of people say that the beatles are prog. except for their radio hits I had only listen to a few song of them. I like "strawberry fields" a lot. Can someone recommend me songs of the beatles that are closer to prog? (sorry for my bad english, I forget all my classes)
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Try "Revolver." It is excellent.
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:04 |
BaldFriede wrote:
My point is that there is no radio station here that broadcasts prog on a regular basis, not even on an irregular one. The only bearable (and indeed excellent) radio channel we receive here is WDR 3, and there is the slight possibility for the occasional prog tune Mo-Fr between 3 pm and 5 pm in a special program named "Musikpassagen". There is always excellent music in "Musikpassagen", and on WDR 3 as a whole, but only 1% of it is prog at the most (probably 0.05% would be more accurate). The music on all other radio channels is crap though, so if we are not listening to a record from our collection we listen to WDR3. It is an excellent radio station, just with very little prog.
But all other channels are simply unbearable.
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Yes but no one mentioned prog radio stations.
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BleedingGum
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:47 |
penguindf12 wrote:
I didn't say they were prog...I just said they had a song in 11/4.... |
You are right, you did not say it. But you started the thread on Prog Music Lounge. You should have sterted on HipHop Music Lounge.
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:35 |
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The Letter M
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:32 |
penguindf12 wrote:
I didn't say they were prog...I just said they had a song in 11/4.... |
Well, it's not in 11/4; it's just another OutKast song, lol.
-Marc.
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:21 |
Odd24 wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard the hip-hop song "Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I found something that said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and listened to it (my friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This is the first odd time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast will do more stuff like this in the future...maybe... |
I guess this means OutKast needs to be in the Archives.
They are so prog!
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If so...then Kate Bush, Simon & Garfunkel & the Beatles are prog too. Just listen respectively to Egypt, America and Hapiness is a warm gun and I can even mention more examples (which I will not do because that will be a very very long story...)
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well , a lot of people say that the beatles are prog. except for their radio hits I had only listen to a few song of them. I like "strawberry fields" a lot. Can someone recommend me songs of the beatles that are closer to prog? (sorry for my bad english, I forget all my classes)
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penguindf12
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:17 |
I didn't say they were prog...I just said they had a song in 11/4....
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BleedingGum
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:15 |
Odd24 wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard the hip-hop song
"Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I found something that
said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and listened to it (my
friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This is the first odd
time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast will do more stuff
like this in the future...maybe... |
I guess this means OutKast needs to be in the Archives.
They are so prog!
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If so...then Kate Bush, Simon & Garfunkel & the
Beatles are prog too. Just listen respectively to Egypt,
America and Hapiness is a warm gun and I can even mention more examples (which I will not do because that will be a very very long story...) |
Hm.... Maybe Elvis, Little Richards, Chuck Berry are prog too ?? 
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Odd24
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:27 |
Arsillus wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard the hip-hop song "Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I found something that said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and listened to it (my friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This is the first odd time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast will do more stuff like this in the future...maybe... |
I guess this means OutKast needs to be in the Archives.
They are so prog!
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If so...then Kate Bush, Simon & Garfunkel & the Beatles are prog too. Just listen respectively to Egypt, America and Hapiness is a warm gun and I can even mention more examples (which I will not do because that will be a very very long story...)
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:21 |
I can't help, cause i have no idea on how to find what time signiture anything is in really.(apart from 4/4)
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:07 |
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard the hip-hop song "Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I found something that said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and listened to it (my friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This is the first odd time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast will do more stuff like this in the future...maybe... |
I guess this means OutKast needs to be in the Archives.
They are so prog!
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BleedingGum
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:54 |
BaldFriede wrote:
My point is that there is no radio station here that broadcasts prog
on a regular basis, not even on an irregular one. The only bearable
(and indeed excellent) radio channel we receive here is WDR 3, and
there is the slight possibility for the occasional prog tune Mo-Fr
between 3 pm and 5 pm in a special program named "Musikpassagen". There
is always excellent music in "Musikpassagen", and on WDR 3 as a whole,
but only 1% of it is prog at the most (probably 0.05% would be more
accurate). The music on all other radio channels is crap though,
so if we are not listening to a record from our collection we listen to
WDR3. It is an excellent radio station, just with very little prog.
But all other channels are simply unbearable. |
Oh... I see.. Yeah... do not worry, you are not alone because those progs are not radio-friendly. 
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:49 |
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Time signatures do not prog maketh.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:44 |
My point is that there is no radio station here that broadcasts prog on a regular basis, not even on an irregular one. The only bearable (and indeed excellent) radio channel we receive here is WDR 3, and there is the slight possibility for the occasional prog tune Mo-Fr between 3 pm and 5 pm in a special program named "Musikpassagen". There is always excellent music in "Musikpassagen", and on WDR 3 as a whole, but only 1% of it is prog at the most (probably 0.05% would be more accurate). The music on all other radio channels is crap though, so if we are not listening to a record from our collection we listen to WDR3. It is an excellent radio station, just with very little prog.
But all other channels are simply unbearable.
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The Letter M
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:43 |
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Actually, I believe it's in 4/4, with a 2/4 measure thrown in during the end of each verse, so, essentially, it's 14/4, but that's just like saying a normal song's verse is 16/4, which is pointless because it's just 4 measures of 4/4.
EDIT - I'm listening to the song right not on Rhapsody, and the Verses are - 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 2/4, 4/4, and 4/4. Whoever said it's in 11 is right, except it'd be 11/2, which is ludicrous. The bass/snare beat clearly defines the downbeats.
A friend of mine has a piano transcription of this song, and I'm almost sure, IIRC, that it's three measures of 4/4 with a 2/4 at the end. Nothing too exciting, as it's just there to help the lyrics flow.
-Marc.
Edited by The Letter M
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:20 |
BaldFriede wrote:
penguindf12 wrote:
You've all probably heard
the hip-hop song "Hey Ya" on the radio, right? Just today I
found something that said it's in 11/4 on a site, and I went back and
listened to it (my friend has their Cd) and it is in 11/4! Weird! This
is the first odd time signature #1 hit since Money! Hopefully OutKast
will do more stuff like this in the future...maybe... |
Sorry, I only listen to WDR 3, a German radio channel, which usually
broadcasts classical, jazz and ethnic, but definitely no hip-hop. |
Your point is???  and maybe you should listen to other stations?
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