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chopper 
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Posted: July 26 2005 at 07:58 |
 Certif1ed wrote:
I've never been sure about considering Rush a prog band - they're not really, are they?
Fantastic hard rock/metal band that goes above and beyond, writing epic length tracks with quiet bits and heavy bits and all manner of sections - but is it really prog?
No.
But I'm glad they're in the archives - EVERYONE should hear Rush.
Mind you, I hear what the Dead Jester is saying...
Maybe I've had one too many "happy ciggies" tonitgh...
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If Rush aren't prog after recording The Fountain of Lamneth, Xanadu, Hemispheres etc, then I don't know who is. They may have veered away from it in later years, but they still qualify with ease, certainly a lot more than Queen!
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Cygnus
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Posted: July 26 2005 at 06:48 |
Hammill wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Hammill wrote:
Cygnus wrote:
RUSH IS SIMPLY THE FIRST PROG METAL BAND. THEY ARE LIKE SABBATH FOR PROG |
King Crimson were (and still are) much more heavier and progressive than Rush.
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Well if you call that cacophony of noise, music maybe so. On the other hand if you want actual tunes then Rush are heavier (but not neccesarily prog)
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do you believe that albums like red, lark's tongues in aspic, construkction of light and power to believe are just noise and nothing else....??
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I AM A BIG FAN OF KING AND I BELIVE THAT THEY WERE THE FIRST PROG ROCK BAND BUT HEY MAN RUSH WAS THE BAND WHICH BROUGHT HEAVY METAL RIFS TO PROG. NO MATER HOW HARD CK OR YES PLAYED RUSH WERE THE FIRST TO USE METAL STUCTURES WITH PROG THEMES.
AND AS FOR THE PROG, IF NATURAL SCIENCE, CYGNUS I AND II, 2112, YYZ AND MANY MORE OF THEIR SONG DONīT HAVE PROG STRUCTURES THEN I MUST HAVE LISTENED THEM WHEN I WAS DRUNK.
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philippe
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 11:10 |
melodic hard rock with pseudo prog arrengements. Nothing else!
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:58 |
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Art Rock then to Pseudo-Prog, then to Pop/Rock
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Jared
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:35 |
I guess that Rush are Art Rock, certainly from about 'Moving Pictures' onwards, although I'm sure the term hadn't been formed back then!
I would just like to say that I think 'Counterparts' is a great album... significantly better than 'Presto' anyway.
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Hammill
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:13 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Hammill wrote:
Cygnus wrote:
RUSH IS SIMPLY THE FIRST PROG METAL BAND. THEY ARE LIKE SABBATH FOR PROG |
King Crimson were (and still are) much more heavier and progressive than Rush.
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Well if you call that cacophony of noise, music maybe so. On the
other hand if you want actual tunes then Rush are heavier (but
not neccesarily prog) |
do you believe that albums like red, lark's tongues in aspic,
construkction of light and power to believe are just noise and nothing
else....??
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Mategra
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 07:59 |
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Pseudo prog that's it.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 07:13 |
^ I don't agree with Tony R....................when he said that the Admin here are a bunch of faggots!
Edited by Snow Dog
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Tony R
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:48 |
I agree with Reed Lover.
About everything.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:30 |
Hammill wrote:
Cygnus wrote:
RUSH IS SIMPLY THE FIRST PROG METAL BAND. THEY ARE LIKE SABBATH FOR PROG |
King Crimson were (and still are) much more heavier and progressive than Rush.
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Well if you call that cacophony of noise, music maybe so. On the other hand if you want actual tunes then Rush are heavier (but not neccesarily prog)
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Hammill
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:01 |
Cygnus wrote:
RUSH IS SIMPLY THE FIRST PROG METAL BAND. THEY ARE LIKE SABBATH FOR PROG |
King Crimson were (and still are) much more heavier and progressive than Rush.
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Cygnus
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 05:25 |
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RUSH IS SIMPLY THE FIRST PROG METAL BAND. THEY ARE LIKE SABBATH FOR PROG
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 21:36 |
Counterparts is the album that got me to start listening again. I lost interest for awhile after hearing Hold Your Fire. 
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 19:24 |
redbar89 wrote:
I like Rush a lot. I would go so far as to say they are
my favorite band. But I wouldn't go so far as to say they are pure
prog. There first album was nothing but hard rock. There was not an
inkling of progressive music on that record. They reached there
progressive peak on either A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres. Starting on Permanent Waves they
started doing New Wave stuff with occasional progressive bits and odd
meters on about half of their songs. Since then, they have become less
and less progressive and more and more mainstream. That is my
statement, if anybody cares. They started becoming very pop rock around
Roll the Bones and Counterparts. |
lol, thats Rush in a can for ya.
proto-prog-metal? honestly people. don't you think we spend a little
too much time labeling things? The music is what it is, call it hard
rock, call it prog. Even a harsh cynic must concede that, as mentioned
above, there are definitely some, if not many, progressive elements to
their music. Pieces like Xanadu, Cygnus (I and II) and 2112 are
undeniably influenced by progressive rock. Is the band still prog?
Maybe not, but multitudes of one time prog bands moved on to other
musical styles.
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plodder
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 19:22 |
redbar89 wrote:
They started becoming very pop rock around Roll the Bones and Counterparts. |
Aieeeeeeeee. What is the matter with you people. Pop rock?? Counterparts?? It's the heaviest of all their albums.
If you want to argue it's the least progressive, then OK I'll go along with that, but pop??. You have to be kidding me.
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 18:11 |
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I like Rush a lot. I would go so far as to say they are my favorite band. But I wouldn't go so far as to say they are pure prog. There first album was nothing but hard rock. There was not an inkling of progressive music on that record. They reached there progressive peak on either A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres. Starting on Permanent Waves they started doing New Wave stuff with occasional progressive bits and odd meters on about half of their songs. Since then, they have become less and less progressive and more and more mainstream. That is my statement, if anybody cares. They started becoming very pop rock around Roll the Bones and Counterparts.
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 16:13 |
IT TOOK A VERY SICK PERSON TO COME UP WITH THE ELVIS IS DEAD PART OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How could you ruin the memory of Elvis by describing his death in such a sick,demented and vulgar way?
# 1 Elvis fan in the U.S. Deanna
Maybe a bit of tangent, but I know what I mean.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 16:04 |
Sweetnighter wrote:
danbo wrote:
Have you checked out the band? Syzygy, that is. |
I have one song of theirs on my comp, off of their recent release MOTH... its not bad! They're very ELPish (no, i didn't say elvish, you silly prog geeks).
Syzygy.... if you say "Sizzle G" quickly then that almost does it.
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MOTH is good, but they have more aspects then ELP to their sound. Actually, most of the album is instrumental.
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 15:57 |
sigod wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Rush are not prog.
They are unique.
So they defy classification!
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Like Elvis then?
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Exactly like Elvis, but with talent, musical ability, song writing ability, intelligence and integrity..
Nothing like Elvis then, I guess..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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plodder
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Posted: December 23 2004 at 15:29 |
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I'm not voting. What stupid choices.
Counterparts, their worst album. I'm sat here mouth, open in disbelief.
Presto the start of their decline?? You have too be joking. Presto is
fantastic.
I know that everyone is entitled to their opinions but aye karamba.
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