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Politician 
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 Topic: What do you think of 'disco' in prog?Posted: June 14 2006 at 15:40 |
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A lot of early German disco had strong prog elements because it was largely played by former Krautrock musicians. Donna Summer, for instance, was initially backed by former 2066 & Then and Amon Düül II alumni. In particular, you can hear those influences in her 1976 concept album "Four Seasons Of Love", and in the seventeen minute "MacArthur Park" suite from two years later. But if you want to hear some really early disco, listen to "Da Guadaloupe" from Amon Düül II's "Hijack" (1974). Certainly, it's very freeform, with a lot of psychedelic and improvised element - but listen to the rhythm and the sweeping strings. Disco, pure disco.
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Raff
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 10:03 |
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I was a teenager (and even somewhat older) during disco's heyday. It was very difficult to ignore the phenomenon at that time, so I ended up dancing to quite a few disco "masterpieces" at parties - including disco-rock contaminations such as "I Was Made for Loving You" and "My Sharona".
As to disco elements in prog, I know of a few isolated tracks which feature disco beats, such as Camel's "Summer Lightning", or the much more famous "Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2" and "Owner of a Lonely Heart". |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 22:37 |
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Well, the reviewer said clearly "NOT THEIR BEST ALBUM" so obviously this person doesn't believe Tormato is the best Yes album.
You know, it's interesting your perspective and I agree it's valid even when a bit unusual, I consider myself a hardcore Genesis fan, but I don't rate every album exactly the same, even gave SEBTP 4 stars when most of the members rate it with 5 stars but all of this is subjective.
What is not subjective is to say:
And still with all this contradictions rate it with 5 stars, but it's the reviewers opinion at the end. But as we accept the opinion of this person and don't delete this contradictory review, you should accept the doislike of some of us for Tormato, Love Beach and specially Disco music.
This is a wide world, each one has his/her opinion and we shouldn't criticize a person for voicing his/her opinion in an open and free forum.
I do believe Tormato and Love Beach are not the best those great bands have to offer (Neither Tales to be honest even when it's much better than the previously mentioned) and I believe everybody here is allowed to express a non offensive opinion of like or dislike.
Iván
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70sSoundquality
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 20:10 |
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Maybe some people happen to think every yes album is their best?
I like Tales just as much as Tormato. They're both 5-star albums.
Aint' it amazing how it works!! Edited by 70sSoundquality - June 11 2006 at 20:19 |
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70sSoundquality
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 20:09 |
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Sighhh...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 19:04 |
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Tormato is one of the weakest Yes albums, songs as Circus of Heaven or the chees Arriving UFO are too bland compared with previous and later Yes albums, for exzample Drama is a great release despite the lack of john Anderson.
Love Beach, please man this album was only recorded because ELP owned an album to thier former label, they wanted to quit but they owed many that they had been payed for this release and it is the biggest joke in Prog forums and sites.
Love Beach is less than mediocre full of bland Lake tracks a pseudo epic absolutely flawed IMO and only one decent song Canario.
Check the average of both, Canario barely reach 2 stars (Because of hardcore fans that gave 4 or 5 stars) and Tormato, well 15% of fans gave 5 stars (Most without review) and some gens as:
For God's sake if the guy gives 5 stars to one of their not best albums I wonder how many stars woiuld the guy give to the best.
 5 stars to a failled album (in the reviewer's words???About Disco, very few Prog bands used Disco elements because both genres are the opposite extremes of musical universe in the late 70's early 80's, the only one I remember is the one that I mentioned already (War of the Worlds) and is very good.
But pure Disco
 this is one of the reasons why I never regret becoming a Prog fanatic.Iván
Hey Micky if you have a picture of you with a Travolta Saturday Night Fever suit, please post it Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 11 2006 at 19:07 |
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:36 |
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As always, there's crap (Village People) and gems (Deodato) even in Disco.
As yet, I have found no gems in House or Swedish Dance Band Music, but they're the only 100% unredeemable genres I know of, and I kind of hope to be proven wrong about that some day. Edited by Teaflax - June 11 2006 at 17:49 |
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Aaron
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:32 |
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i just got Magma's 1981 Bobino concert, which certainly has hints of disco in some of their songs sucks
Aaron
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70sSoundquality
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 16:22 |
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It seems like a lot of people are ignorantly dismissing the actual musicianship that goes into playing some 70s disco music/prog with disco elements, or dismiss the musicianship that goes into an album like Tormato or Love Beach. I didn't think a lot of people would be so hostile towards it.
Edited by 70sSoundquality - June 11 2006 at 16:23 |
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kebjourman
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 14:15 |
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80's pop and smooth soul/quiet storm are much worse IMO
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Sacred 22
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 13:52 |
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well, I must admit. I proudly wore my Disco Sucks T-shirt.
I could never get my head around Disco.
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micky
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 13:35 |
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hahah well... I must disagree as one who was there as well and was a big fan of it... yes I had Johnny Travolta posters in my room.... if you view Disco through the prism of a prog fan I could understand that view... but taken for what it was... music to get you up and shaking your behind... it was (and still is) highly highly effective music. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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micky
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 13:31 |
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hahahha... no anger mate just bewilderment at your view of them hahah  |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Joolz
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 09:35 |
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ha ha no Dancing Queens on this site then
Which one is you then Peter? |
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Losendos
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 08:40 |
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78/79 was a depressing time with punk and disco taking over the airwaves and the public's attention whilst the leading prog bands came out with poor follow ups ( Tormato , Love Beach , ATTW3 , The Wall, Heavy Horses ) so if some prog bands mixed in disco such as ELO ( I also don't think they were ever particularly prog) it indicates to me their was a lack of inspiration.
But I have been told on another thread there were many good prog releases in these two years by lesser known bands. So this is a great sadness then that the airwaves were captured by the talentless or bands like the bee gees who dumbed themselves down ( they call themselves the enigma with a stigma I.e great songwriters whose involvement in disco permanently overshadowed their work ) while good releases were destined to remain anonymous.
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How wonderful to be so profound
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: June 11 2006 at 00:06 |
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"GPS Culture" and "Follow Your Leaders"? Oh, thank God. I thought it was just me noticing that. Reminds me of a one-hit wonder named Rupert Holmes who did lounge-act disco back in the 70s ("The Pina Colada Song"). 
A Place in the Queue is a pretty dang good album except for that. |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Schizoid Man
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 23:02 |
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What do you think of 'disco' in prog?
The same as if I see s**t in my soup.
OK...seriously, the only group I've heard pull off a prog/disco was Crimso with "Sleepless" which I like.
And I do like some disco songs. Ami Stewert's version of "Knock on Wood" is good. Grandmaster Flash's "White Lines". And some others.
But disco, at least the way I see it, is a very limited genre. Not much room for experimentation nor growth.
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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
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YYZed
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 18:09 |
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More funk than disco if you ask me... |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 14:10 |
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I have to agree, I started to listen Prog seriously at the age of 13 or 14 (1977 or 1978) exactly when Satuday night Fever was released, it was a nightmare, the only music you saw on TV or listened in radios, was from the Bee Geees, Donna Summer, Tina Charles, etc.
The weekend nights were even worst, live shows from discotheques where everybody was trying to dance like Travolta (We didn't had cable then).
Nobody who hasn't lived then can imagine what a terriblly boring, repetitive and mediocre era it was and to make it worst, the Prog releases were progressively worst each year.
Iván
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bhikkhu
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 13:52 |
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I would have to agree. To me it was the antithesis of quality music, and helped push me toward prog (so there's a plus). There may have been some experimentation with disco rhythms in prog, but it's not exclusively in the realm of disco. These are actually just danceable beats. If "70s prog bands included some of these elements, then it would have naturally been labeled disco. At another time, it would have been called something else. |
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70sSoundquality wrote:
Wonderfull, not their best album, maybe more commercial (they tried but failed), but it's still a grat album, really good, I think it's a masterpiece, always progressive, you can't follow the beat! 
