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8 [14.29%]
2 [3.57%]
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3 [5.36%]
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    Posted: August 15 2022 at 18:59
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Indeed there are many big names missing. I went with Collectable King Crimson vol 1 because I do feel it's the best live album from that period of King Crimson (which might just as well be their best live period). I could just as well have gone with Coma Divine, my first PT album, actually. As for Playing the Fool, I bought it as my frist GG album to check them out because of it's high regard, and I almost gave up on them because of it... fortunatley for some reason I decided to give their first albums a chance too, and I did love their first two ones, but they became gradually harder for me to like after that.

I agree with the KC assessment and I was surprised to actually be moved listening to Nightwatch today. Wetton is singing in a reserved but fast manner then suddenly what is going on! Two amazing shows from 1974 in Germany and the USA with three songs that crossover. Great sound too. 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

The weighting is actually helping the big dogs as the weighting pulls the albums with few ratings down.
Obviously not enough. I understand that we need some kind balance between highest/most rated, which is what I meant when I wrote

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I think this whole weighed aritmetic mean being used should be scrapped.
=in favor of a better system or whatever (I'm not into the terminology) that manages to reflect "our" actual tastes and preferences better. This list of top albums is all wrong as everyone can see. 


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Indeed there are many big names missing. I went with Collectable King Crimson vol 1 because I do feel it's the best live album from that period of King Crimson (which might just as well be their best live period). I could just as well have gone with Coma Divine, my first PT album, actually. As for Playing the Fool, I bought it as my frist GG album to check them out because of it's high regard, and I almost gave up on them because of it... fortunatley for some reason I decided to give their first albums a chance too, and I did love their first two ones, but they became gradually harder for me to like after that.
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Man lot of good releases here. I had to go with The Great Deceiver too. I have the original 4 cd box set.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

The list is flawed, obviously. Terribly so. It's humorous that a remake live album by Steve Hackett would have a higher rating than Genesis Live (1973) or Seconds Out (1977). No Tull, Yes, ELP, Floyd (or real Genesis, for that matter) -- you know, bands that I've seen in their heyday who performed, without a doubt, some of the most spectacular live sets I've ever seen.
Yes this list is a bit of a joke really. I don't mean that there's something wrong with the albums featured. The problem is the albums not featured. I think this whole weighed aritmetic mean being used should be scrapped.

I agree wholeheartedly. When you can take an objective review of a list of albums that allegedly are the "highest rated" and walk away amused (or appalled), that is an issue.
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The weighting is actually helping the big dogs as the weighting pulls the albums with few ratings down.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

The list is flawed, obviously. Terribly so. It's humorous that a remake live album by Steve Hackett would have a higher rating than Genesis Live (1973) or Seconds Out (1977). No Tull, Yes, ELP, Floyd (or real Genesis, for that matter) -- you know, bands that I've seen in their heyday who performed, without a doubt, some of the most spectacular live sets I've ever seen.
Yes this list is a bit of a joke really. I don't mean that there's something wrong with the albums featured. The problem is the albums not featured. I think this whole weighed aritmetic mean being used should be scrapped.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

The list is flawed, obviously. Terribly so. It's humorous that a remake live album by Steve Hackett would have a higher rating than Genesis Live (1973) or Seconds Out (1977). No Tull, Yes, ELP, Floyd (or real Genesis, for that matter) -- you know, bands that I've seen in their heyday who performed, without a doubt, some of the most spectacular live sets I've ever seen.


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The list is flawed, obviously. Terribly so. It's humorous that a remake live album by Steve Hackett would have a higher rating than Genesis Live (1973) or Seconds Out (1977). No Tull, Yes, ELP, Floyd (or real Genesis, for that matter) -- you know, bands that I've seen in their heyday who performed, without a doubt, some of the most spectacular live sets I've ever seen.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I've decided to give the ones that gets the most votes a shot though - even if that means I have to listen to Dream Theater
Let us know your thoughts of Gentle Giant when you give it a shot.
As I've mentioned, Playing the Fool is among the handful of albums I'm already familiar with. I know they pull of many of my least favorite songs of theirs in a technically impressive way. It's not primarely what I'm looking for in music. Their lighthearted playfulness, enchanting melodies and the sheer beauty of their early material was mostly gone by now imo. Maybe I remember it wrong, or perhaps I don't think the same anymore. Its been years since I gave it a listen, so I will give it another shot.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I've decided to give the ones that gets the most votes a shot though - even if that means I have to listen to Dream Theater
Let us know your thoughts of Gentle Giant when you give it a shot.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Incredibly, two of the best live albums ever (imo) are not in the list: Renaissance Live at Carnegie Hall and Deep Purple's Made In Japan. In their absence I go for Coma Divine as it has been recorded close to my home.
Made in Japan is missing because Deep Purple is in the Proto-Prog section. But yes, as solid as Live at Carnegie Hall is, I'd say there's even stranger omissions here imo.
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Incredibly, two of the best live albums ever (imo) are not in the list: Renaissance Live at Carnegie Hall and Deep Purple's Made In Japan. In their absence I go for Coma Divine as it has been recorded close to my home.
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Playing the Fool of those listed.
But Steve Hackett is close behind and Moon Safari deserve a big mention.
But A Live Record by Camel, Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall, Reality Dream by Riverside, IQ - Stage and Barclay James Harvest - Live are up there with Playing the Fool.
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Originally posted by Duddick Duddick wrote:

Psychedelic Paul - I notice you quite often say you only know a couple of lps in a poll - surely these are chances to expand your horizons?

I'm constantly expanding my musical horizons every day here. I listen to 10 new albums a day on average, whereas before I went online in 2010, I listened to one new album a month - if I was lucky. I've listened to seven new albums already this morning and it's not even midday yet. Tongue


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Steven Wilson -You Get All You Deserve

My favourite live albums are ELP's triple album (No 75) and Viva! Roxy Music which is nowhere!
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Playing The Fool...greatest live album of all time. It wasn't just studio trickery; Gentle Giant could do all that and more live. Geniuses; all 5 of them!
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

If you make the minimum number of rating 300 then you get a more 'classic' list

2. Great Deceiver
3. Playing The Fool
9. A Live Record
10. Yessongs 
11. Roxy & Elsewhere
12. Ricochet
13. Seconds Out 
15. Welcome Back My Friends
18. Space Ritual
19. Live - Bursting Out
20. Is There Anybody Out There?
22. Exit...Stage, Left 
Yes, but it shouldn't be needed. I think the actual top albums should be reflected in the list visitors actually look at.

This (at 38th):

4.36 | 1044 ratings
QWR = 4.3479
Yessongs
Yes

...is obviously both more treasured and far more popular album than this (at 37th):

4.47 | 126 ratings
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Live At Fairfield Halls - 1974
Caravan

...but the latter album is still placed above the former. The Query Weighted Rating used on PA is clearly flawed. Changes in ratings on newly released albums show a similar trend here and at RYM. Its quite normal for a quality release to start with a 4.50-4.60 average after the first 50-100 reviews/ratings. It will often drop as much as 0.50-0.60 (to a 3.90 - 4.00) if it reaches outside the fanbase - like an album with a 1000 ratings has. Keeping a 4.40 from 1000 ratings is a lot stronger than a 4.50 from 120 raters. 

Btw: Nogbad_The_Bad, I'm not complaining to you. That's not my intention Just writing my thoughts on this small issue. I noticed similarly obvious flaws in Logans top ranked trios of albums. Where you suddely found top albums that had as little as 20-30 ratings among the obvious classics of the genre. Some really good ones, but still incorrect.
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Some good ones in here, but Giant with Playing The Fool.  Astounding playing and singing with no 21st century trickery !
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I have a wedding to go to tomorrow around 2 1/2 hours away so I'm taking those five I mentioned to get me fired up.LOL Thanks for doing the poll man!
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