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Topic: Zeuhl Definition
Posted: May 08 2005 at 19:04

Useful_Idiot wrote:

I heard the Magma album
that this site recommends (not the live one, the other
one), and let's just say that it was REALLY not for
me. My main problem with it was that I didn't care for
their whole "made-up language", although the
backing music didn't do much for me either. If there
are other Zeuhl artists you would recommend who
are a little less... overly ambitious, I'd be willing to
give them a chance.

I agree with the useful one! I derive much more
pleasure from Zao or Weidorje. Zao's Kawana being
exceptional. Dun - Eros is an early 80's album that is
probably the best in the Zuehl category to me.
Magmas' Kohntarkosz is pretty good too, here they
are instrumental, dropping the Kobian goofball
language.
I wouldnt really consider Zao - Kawana or Dun - Eros
as Zuehl, I think its a wasted word for Magma's
premature efforts to break the language barrier in
europe with some kind of space talk. Understand Im
not a Trekkie either, think sci-fi buffs would enjoy this
stuff!
Anyway Dun mixes Zuehl influences(french
electronic fusion) with King Crimson and Gentle
Giant among other influences, kinda pulls down
everybodies pants. Zao are typical superior french
fusion artists that are very comfortable with playing
high quality fusion.
Eskaton -4 is another very good (Zeuhl?) album but
the lyrics are in French which is not to my taste. But
musically superior to english fusion artists.

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Posted: May 08 2005 at 16:31

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Posted: May 08 2005 at 15:38

As I understand it, Zeuhl can be translated from Kobaian as 'celestial', which seems appropriate to me. At their best, Zeuhl musicians demonstrate how discipline and focus of the will can help you transcend time, space and physical limitations in a way that few others working in rock music do; only King Crimson and some of Zappa's bands have achieved anything comparable. It's music which is as often sublime (in the Kantian sense) as it is beautiful, and which exploits the tension between individualism (represented by composers and soloists) and subsuming individuality (near telepathic ensemble playing).

It's music which can induce an altered state without resorting to artificial stimulants.

It's music which can be demanding, but which rewards effort.

'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 17:16

Useful_Idiot wrote:

I heard the Magma album that this site recommends (not the live one, the other one), and let's just say that it was REALLY not for me. My main problem with it was that I didn't care for their whole "made-up language", although the backing music didn't do much for me either. If there are other Zeuhl artists you would recommend who are a little less... overly ambitious, I'd be willing to give them a chance.

If you don't like MAGMA (M.D.K. I think) I should not recommand you another band : It will kill you .

No seriously you could try The Live and Üdü Wüdü.

If you don't like, stop to injure your ears with Zeuhl

As I like a lot of musics I'm sure we'll have a lot of opportunities to share our pleasure on other bands.

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 16:32

I heard the Magma album that this site recommends (not the live one, the other one), and let's just say that it was REALLY not for me. My main problem with it was that I didn't care for their whole "made-up language", although the backing music didn't do much for me either. If there are other Zeuhl artists you would recommend who are a little less... overly ambitious, I'd be willing to give them a chance.

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 16:20

lucas wrote:

Art Zoyd and Present are classified as post-RIO, i.e. the new wave of Rock in Opposition, as others like 5 UU's, U-Totem...

More and more sub-categories, it is the mess

I saw them classified in RIO and even in Zeuhl.

In my own opinion ART ZOYD has a lot of eras so it is very difficult too put them into a category or another.

All the records I have are from 1976 to 2001 so a minimum of 25 years of music !!!!!

Maybe I'll write the bio within 10 years

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 16:12

Useful_Idiot wrote:

Et je m'excuse, mon francais n'est pas tres bon...

Largement meilleur que mon anglais

Useful Not Idiot At All, what do you mean by bad experience ?

Maybe you have to retry....as it is like love

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 16:05

diddy wrote:

Art Zoyd and Present belong to this genre, right?

Art Zoyd and Present are classified as post-RIO, i.e. the new wave of Rock in Opposition, as others like 5 UU's, U-Totem...

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 16:03

Useful_Idiot wrote:

Et je m'excuse, mon francais n'est pas tres bon...

Si, il est plutôt bon !

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 15:59

J'ai eu un mauvais experience avec le Zeuhl, et a cette moment je croie que c'est pas vraiment un style de musique qui m'interesse. Je ne sais pas pourqoi j'ai pris le temps pour dire cela, mais peut-etre je voulais un excuse pour parler le francais

Et je m'excuse, mon francais n'est pas tres bon...

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 09:07

Tauhd Zaïa wrote:

Joren wrote:

By saying "Am I right?" I meant: "Is Magma influenced by minimal music?" or "does anyone else hear what I mean?"

Vander himself says that he was mainly influenced by John Coltrane he has even learned drums with the drummer of John Coltrane.

But this influence is not musical but spiritual : the way to play music (any kind of music).

I would like just to add this :

Most of white people use to ear music with the intellect, brain but Zeuhl music has to be eared with his eart and spiritual mind like black people. That makes all difference

I'm not always in a spiritual mood...

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 08:38

Tauhd Zaïa wrote:

So you don't belong to the people responsible of the decreasing of the CD sales

I'm the oppisite. I buy about 8 CDs a Month. Almost my whole money goes out to the record companies

OK some of them are bought on eBay but the rest...

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 08:32

diddy wrote:

Yes, it's forbidden but just imagine how rare the albums are. I think that a band like Art Zoyd would be happy to have more fans and listeners. All there albums are sold out and people discovering this band have no chance to get these albums. Sometimes I see one on eBay but it always gets so

expensive that I don't buy it because I really can't afford it, I'm a student, I was a student...but yet I have no real income. And btw, buying an album on eBay doesn't help the band because they don't get money from it.

I discovered Art Zoyd and Present, as wel as Magma but don't get their albums so I stopped to expand this kind of music because the albums are very rare and expensive

...

So you don't belong to the people responsible of the decreasing of the CD sales

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 08:29

Joren wrote:

By saying "Am I right?" I meant: "Is Magma influenced by minimal music?" or "does anyone else hear what I mean?"

Vander himself says that he was mainly influenced by John Coltrane he has even learned drums with the drummer of John Coltrane.

But this influence is not musical but spiritual : the way to play music (any kind of music).

I would like just to add this :

Most of white people use to ear music with the intellect, brain but Zeuhl music has to be eared with his eart and spiritual mind like black people. That makes all difference

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 07:36

Tauhd Zaïa wrote:

I have all the records of this band but I really don't know if it is possible to propose you my help here as illegal copies are forbidden

I discovered Art Zoyd and Present, as wel as Magma but don't get their albums so I stopped to expand this kind of music because the albums are very rare and expensive

...

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 07:30

Tauhd Zaïa wrote:

Joren wrote:

I only have ONE Zeuhl album (MDK by Magma). I love it, but not always. I have to be in the mood for it, because sometimes I find it very inaccessible.

This don't surprise me and I feel the same thing.

As Zeuhl needs a spiritual approach we have to find good state of mind to ear this music and to appreciate it (not possible when I wash table-service)

Joren wrote:

For me, the album is very special.

It sounds like a little rock, a little jazz and A LOT OF modern classical music. It sounds very much like minimal music to me (you know, like Steve Reich).

Some people said "Chamber-rock" but I don't have the musical knowledge and competences to discuss this term.

Joren wrote:

Am I right?

Nobody is right or wrong in music (it is my own opinion)

Everybody has the right to feel what he wants by himself, it is very personal

Playing music and to speak about music is another problem...sometimes a great responsability...

By saying "Am I right?" I meant: "Is Magma influenced by minimal music?" or "does anyone else hear what I mean?"

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 07:02

diddy wrote:

Art Zoyd and Present belong to this genre, right?

For some people yes, other no...

For me Art Zoyd (and even Univers Zero) is not typical Zeuhl

In this case what is the category of this music ????

diddy wrote:

I really like it but it's very hard to get, it's a shame. Maybe there should be more remasters for this genre.

I have all the records of this band but I really don't know if it is possible to propose you my help here as illegal copies are forbidden

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 06:55

Art Zoyd and Present belong to this genre, right?

I have

Art Zoyd: Symphinie pour le jour on bruleront les cites, Muique puor 'Odyssee, Generation sans futur and Archieves 1

Present: High Infidelity

I really like it but it's very hard to get, it's a shame. Maybe there should be more remasters for this genre.

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 06:49

Joren wrote:

I only have ONE Zeuhl album (MDK by Magma). I love it, but not always. I have to be in the mood for it, because sometimes I find it very inaccessible.

This don't surprise me and I feel the same thing.

As Zeuhl needs a spiritual approach we have to find good state of mind to ear this music and to appreciate it (not possible when I wash table-service)

Joren wrote:

For me, the album is very special.

It sounds like a little rock, a little jazz and A LOT OF modern classical music. It sounds very much like minimal music to me (you know, like Steve Reich).

Some people said "Chamber-rock" but I don't have the musical knowledge and competences to discuss this term.

Joren wrote:

Am I right?

Nobody is right or wrong in music (it is my own opinion)

Everybody has the right to feel what he wants by himself, it is very personal

Playing music and to speak about music is another problem...sometimes a great responsability...

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Posted: July 05 2004 at 05:04

I only have ONE Zeuhl album (MDK by Magma). I love it, but not always. I have to be in the mood for it, because sometimes I find it very inaccessible.

For me, the album is very special. It sounds like a little rock, a little jazz and A LOT OF modern classical music. It sounds very much like minimal music to me (you know, like Steve Reich).

Am I right?