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    Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:14
If you don't know what Creationism is (or the young/old earth types), have a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism

For the sake of this poll, "evolution" refers to the process that resulted in the existence of every living thing on this planet, including humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution


So ... what do you believe in? No - that's a poor choice of words, since evolution is supported by fact and evidence (which of course creationist ignore or at least not accept as valid) so rather than "believe" we should say "accept as fact", and that's also how I put it in the poll.

BTW: Being a scientist and atheist/agnostic, I'm completely sure that all live evolved from a common ancestor by natural selection, without any doubt in my mind. The only truly unsolved question is how it all got started, but I don't think it's necessary to answer it in order to understand or accept the process itself.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:20

What's the difference between being a young earth or not young earth creationist?  

#update: Thanks for the link!



Edited by Diaby - November 28 2009 at 09:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:23
^ look it up in detail on the wikipedia page ... in a nutshell a young earth creationist takes the bible literally, in that our world is about 10,000 years old and that it was created in 6 days, whereas an old earth creationist accepts the scientific theories about the creation of the universe (big bang etc) and our planet (such as it being about 4,600,000,000 years old), but may not accept the theory of evolution.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:29
An Old Earth Creationist is a somewhat ambivalent person LOLHow can you believe in the big bang but don't accept the evolution?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:37
None.

The entire Earth was inhabited by alien seeds - and these aliens were all looking like Erich von Daniken.

However, the uninhabited Earth itself was created by divinity - and it's standing on the back of the giant turtle.

The Earth is round, not flat; it won't roll off the turtle because it's nested in Steven Hawking's wheel chair. With brakes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:46
Originally posted by Diaby Diaby wrote:

An Old Earth Creationist is a somewhat ambivalent person LOLHow can you believe in the big bang but don't accept the evolution?


You could also ask "how can you believe the earth is not flat but don't accept the evolution". I guess the reason is that accepting evolution and natural selection negates every concept of religion, including the afterlife. People might find it easier to accept that we live on a planet that revolves around the sun and is much older than people used to think, than to accept that we are merely animals who evolved bi-pedal walk and a brain capable of sentience and language.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:54
Being a catholic I believe in creationism, but I don't take the story of creation literally. Besides, how could something like evolution be explained back then? It's like going back in time and trying to get people to use antibiotics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 09:56
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Diaby Diaby wrote:

An Old Earth Creationist is a somewhat ambivalent person LOLHow can you believe in the big bang but don't accept the evolution?


You could also ask "how can you believe the earth is not flat but don't accept the evolution". I guess the reason is that accepting evolution and natural selection negates every concept of religion, including the afterlife. People might find it easier to accept that we live on a planet that revolves around the sun and is much older than people used to think, than to accept that we are merely animals who evolved bi-pedal walk and a brain capable of sentience and language.

Don't tell it me, I accept evolution although being a Christian.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 10:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:38
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Being a catholic I believe in creationism, but I don't take the story of creation literally. Besides, how could something like evolution be explained back then? It's like going back in time and trying to get people to use antibiotics.


The thing is that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive ... one rules out the other. So ... how would you vote?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:44
Although I do believe in evolution as fact, I have also been on a stag night in the Highlands of Scotland which made the Cro-Magnon appear quite urbane and possibly effete.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:45
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

None.

The entire Earth was inhabited by alien seeds - and these aliens were all looking like Erich von Daniken.

However, the uninhabited Earth itself was created by divinity - and it's standing on the back of the giant turtle.

The Earth is round, not flat; it won't roll off the turtle because it's nested in Steven Hawking's wheel chair. With brakes.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:45
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Being a catholic I believe in creationism, but I don't take the story of creation literally. Besides, how could something like evolution be explained back then? It's like going back in time and trying to get people to use antibiotics.


The thing is that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive ... one rules out the other. So ... how would you vote?

Why are they exclusive?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:53
^ There's a good book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259430683&sr=8-1

"Creation" as described in the bible is simply hugely contradictive with the process of evolution, which is totally driven by natural selection and not at all compatible with the idea of a "creator" or "architect" guiding the process.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 12:04
Your all a bunch of communist liberals, with all your socialism!!!!!! Not too mention you are destroying the world.Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 12:05
I'm with George Carlin & Richard Dawkins on this. Invisible man in the sky ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 12:10

The story where God stops the sun in the sky finally pushed me all the way over to the evolution camp. LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 12:17
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

The story where God stops the sun in the sky finally pushed me all the way over to the evolution camp. LOL



Really?  It's usually the reason why the "sun stopped" that people take issue with.  Wink
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