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no, only the upper-middle class and upper class deserve treatment because anyone who can't afford it doesn't deserve to live.
If Courtesy Flush (gotta love that handle) means physical health then YES If he means mental health then NO as some of the the sufferers clearly choose not to help themselves.
Joined: February 03 2007
Location: The Heartland
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 09:00
I'm starting to find a middle ground. I think catastrophic care should be provided, so that no one faces financial ruin over an illness. But I think regular visits and tests under a certain yearly cap need to be paid for by the consumer, with more competition involved. Some people do abuse health care by running to the Doc for every little sniffle, and these folks should either buy a private plan or pay.
But I do support families not losing their home and life savings because mom or dad get some deadly disease.
Joined: June 23 2005
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 10:04
King By-Tor wrote:
no, only the upper-middle class and upper class deserve treatment because anyone who can't afford it doesn't deserve to live.
Assuming that was a joke... Although I would modify it a bit and say that maybe there should be an IQ test prior to getting healthcare. Time to chlorinate the gene pool.
Seriously, I voted yes. I think healthcare is a basic human right that everyone is entitled to. While I agree that there are some who abuse the system by running to a doctor for every sniffle, perhaps there could be an "idiot" surcharge for those people. If you go to the doctor for something serious, you're covered. If you go to the doctor for a cold you're charged, whether you have private health insurance or not.
Further, I believe that mental health should be covered as well. For the person who says many people with mental health problems do nothing to help themselves and therefore should be denied coverage, let me ask, should we deny coverage to those who have heart attacks because they are overweight? How about denying coverage to those with lung cancer or skin cancer because they brought it on themselves? Or the person who breaks his leg during a skiing accident?
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Joined: October 22 2005
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 15:33
Sort of . . . People who can't afford it should get it for free and the rich should pay for it if they need it. I think it's horribly wrong that I as a student have to pay an annual fee for my healthcare even though I never go to the doctor.
Joined: May 16 2009
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 16:19
I think there should be a health service lucky dip. So when you enter the hospital you get a raffle ticket and if the doctor draws your number out of a hat then you get a free operation- otherwise tough.
Joined: October 22 2005
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 16:21
Slartibartfast wrote:
So if you were to break a limb or say, heaven forbid, get run over by a steamroller you'd be able to pay for that out of pocket?
What's the student medical fee that you pay if you don't mind?
Not much (30 €?), but I'd much rather pay a 50 for going to the
doctor whenever I need to than pay 30 a year for a service I don't use.
(And I don't think the student healthcare would do much good if I got
run over by a steamroller. )
no, only the upper-middle class and upper class deserve treatment because anyone who can't afford it doesn't deserve to live.
Assuming that was a joke... Although I would modify it a bit and say that maybe there should be an IQ test prior to getting healthcare. Time to chlorinate the gene pool.
Seriously, I voted yes. I think healthcare is a basic human right that everyone is entitled to. While I agree that there are some who abuse the system by running to a doctor for every sniffle, perhaps there could be an "idiot" surcharge for those people. If you go to the doctor for something serious, you're covered. If you go to the doctor for a cold you're charged, whether you have private health insurance or not.
Further, I believe that mental health should be covered as well. For the person who says many people with mental health problems do nothing to help themselves and therefore should be denied coverage, let me ask, should we deny coverage to those who have heart attacks because they are overweight? How about denying coverage to those with lung cancer or skin cancer because they brought it on themselves? Or the person who breaks his leg during a skiing accident?
I think I'm too subtle for my own health sometimes...The remark in bold was directed at the diseased organ inside King By Tor's head which makes him susceptible to posting such facile garbage in the first place. It's called ironyso yeah, the IQ test sounds like a winner.
That aside, I can only endorse the remainder of your post (That's NOT irony)
Joined: February 01 2007
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 19:19
We Have a Healthcare system in Australia and if any government tried to remove it and replace it with a fully private Health System they would be thrown out. We pay at the last time I remembered is 0.75 percent Tax on your gross income. Now I will admit the public hospitals are not perfect but compared to most places in the world they are fabulous.
Whatever treatment you receive in a public hospital in Australia it is free from a Heart Transplant to an in grown toe-nail. If you are involved in an accident or are seriously unwell you will be taken to a major Public Hospital for treatment as they have the equipment ,Intensive care units etc.
You still have the choice of Private Health insurance and I will admit it is advisable because if you require an operation that is not considered life threatening you could wind up on a waitintg list for 6 months. The goverment pays a 30% rebate back to you with private health insurance. You are up for $500.00 dollars if you require an overnigtht stay or more in a private hospital and they only charge you the $500 excess once per financial year no matter how many times you are in and out. I pay over $5,000 per annum and the government pays another approx $1,500 (30% rebate) on top bringing the actual cost to $6.500. This is Family cover that I am using,single is a roughly half that. It is not a common practice here for an employer to offer Health Insurance with a job.
At the moment my wife is not well and requires surgery and the treatment that she has received through the public system has been pretty good and quick and cost me nothing except for the drutgs she requires which I will add are all under the P>B>S scheme so if the drug costs more than $34.00 the goverment pays the balance.
$1 Aust is roughly 80 US cents
I work with a friend who is a U.S citizen ( Texas,Nevada and California was where he lived) and he was telling me with private insurance you are still up for massive amounts and it is not uncommon if any serious issue arises to wind up broke.
He likes our system here by a long shot.
Anyway here is another perspective and really think hard about what you want
Joined: December 31 2008
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 20:20
Negoba wrote:
This is a no-brainer. Yes.
But there are fools wiggling on the private insurers hooks and swallowing it whole. Makes you ashamed to be an American sometimes.
Of course, everyone on the other side must be fooled by some trickery, no logical person could possibly hold another viewpoint from you.
It does bother me a lot though that in the current health care debate in the US the republicans and opponents of the health care bill are just trying to spread lies and scare people instead of raising what I believe are legitimate problems with it.
Joined: July 24 2008
Location: Big Muddy
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 20:50
Because it's a no brainer. Extremely logical, smart, and heartless people with different viewpoints from mine are using extremely emotional, not-so-smart folks to do their dirty work for them. If they could win in a real debate they might try.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 21:13
Yes.
Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Although I would modify it a bit and say that maybe there should be an IQ test prior to getting healthcare. Time to chlorinate the gene pool. 
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