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    Posted: May 27 2006 at 18:48
Anyone explain this?
 
A day or so ago, I ordered 13 CDs & a book from Amazon (UK). All listed as despatched within 24hrs; I have another order in mind for some more CDs that will take a few weeks to arrive, so I kept them separate.
Today, I got an email saying 5 of the CDs have been despatched - via Royal Mail.
2 hrs later, I got another email, saying the other 8 CDs and the book have also been despatched - via DHL.
 
This is probably a silly question, but - why not send them all together?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2006 at 18:56
They send them in whatever way is most efficient (meaning: least expensive) for them. Maybe the CDs are being shipped from different suppliers ... or they simply have an efficient way of sending shippments containing a small number of CDs per Royal Mail, and must use DHL for books (heavy goods).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2006 at 21:16
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

They send them in whatever way is most efficient (meaning: least expensive) for them. Maybe the CDs are being shipped from different suppliers ...
 
Bingo.  That's pretty much how it is.  I work for a direct marketing company, and this is how orders with multiple items often get sent out.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 07:35
I figured that might be a possible excuse - if not explanationSmile
But I'm not convinced - and although these incidents aren't particularly important in the greater scheme of things, they bug me - I don't like paradoxes!
 
I thought all the Amazon stuff came through one warehouse? And if things were separated, the obvious separation would be books to the left, CDs to the right?
Plus, the division they've decided upon (5 CDs vs 8 CDs + 1 Book) is different from their initial prediction of 12 CDs + 1 Book vs 1 CD (to be despatched 1 day later) - all this after I'd picked the "free" option of "Super Saver Delivery" ("group my purchases into as few deliveries as possible"). It's just the 2 hour gap between notification of 2 different deliveries with 2 different couriers from the (I still reckon) same depot suggests the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.......
 
Like I said, it's not really that important, so please no replies along the lines of "get a life" - I don't lie awake at night worrying about this - Cool - but if anyone else is bugged by these little mysteries & has any ideas........


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 09:16
You should have done it as two orders, one which dispatches all together and another which does not
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 09:43
Originally posted by crimson thing crimson thing wrote:

I figured that might be a possible excuse - if not explanationSmile
But I'm not convinced - and although these incidents aren't particularly important in the greater scheme of things, they bug me - I don't like paradoxes!
 
I thought all the Amazon stuff came through one warehouse? And if things were separated, the obvious separation would be books to the left, CDs to the right?
Plus, the division they've decided upon (5 CDs vs 8 CDs + 1 Book) is different from their initial prediction of 12 CDs + 1 Book vs 1 CD (to be despatched 1 day later) - all this after I'd picked the "free" option of "Super Saver Delivery" ("group my purchases into as few deliveries as possible"). It's just the 2 hour gap between notification of 2 different deliveries with 2 different couriers from the (I still reckon) same depot suggests the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.......
 
Like I said, it's not really that important, so please no replies along the lines of "get a life" - I don't lie awake at night worrying about this - Cool - but if anyone else is bugged by these little mysteries & has any ideas........


Amazon do not make the goods themselves ... they order them from other merchants. And I'm pretty sure that they don't have a "warehouse". That is way too expensive. Instead they have agreements with their suppliers ... that's how they know when they'll be able to ship the goods. If it says "24 hours" that means that they can get the supplier to ship the item within that interval.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 10:29

In reply to Mike......

With respect, I can't see that's right.....all the items come packed by Amazon, not the supplier (of course Amazon don't make the CDs, BTW, I be not that stooopid Smile ), so unless they hire a van or a village hall for the day LOL , they clearly have a warehouse somewhere......and the items must coexist in place & time for the packaging to take place, n'est pas? Nicht wahr?
 
In reply to Kid A......
 
without meaning to be rude......I don't understand your comment? I made one order......of 13 CDs + 1 book......I haven't yet ordered the stuff that takes weeks to arrive yet........deliberately kept that separate.....but that's not the issue........They decide how to deliver the order.......how would/could I know (in advance) how they would split an order, when all items (ordered) are listed as "usually despatched within 24hrs".........speed of order is not the issue here.........I'm happy if they arrive next week(ish)..........the point is, why split an order into 2 separate deliveries, and simultaneously send the 2 halves with two separate couriers? I think you must have misunderstood what it is that I don't understand.......if you see what I mean LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 15:45
Are you sure they were all from the same Amazon? I ordered 2 CDs and a DVD recently. The CDs (Moody Blues remasters) came from Amazon Jersey and so were sent separately.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 15:57
That's an interesting point - but if they did touch down at Jersey at any point, I'm gonna ask for some VAT back!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:25
Originally posted by crimson thing crimson thing wrote:

In reply to Mike......

With respect, I can't see that's right.....all the items come packed by Amazon, not the supplier (of course Amazon don't make the CDs, BTW, I be not that stooopid Smile ), so unless they hire a van or a village hall for the day LOL , they clearly have a warehouse somewhere......and the items must coexist in place & time for the packaging to take place, n'est pas? Nicht wahr?


Not necessarily. Don't ask me how they do it, but they most certainly don't have a central warehouse where they keep all the goods that are marked "ships within 24 hours".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:20

Ah! So the CDs & books (sent from any number of discrete - and secret - locations), and the packaging materials (sent from a different site altogether - Amazon 51 ?! Wink ) only ever meet on my doorstep ? Wow!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:27
ever heard of phrases like "just in time", "zero warehouse"? As anybody with a background in business administrations, especially: Supply chain management.

The point is that those merchants cannot afford to buy goods from their suppliers and store them in their own warehouse and then wait until somebody purchases them. Not only do they have to pay for these goods in advance without knowing if they're ever get sold ... they also have to pay for the warehouse. I guess that by some clever statistical calculations they order some goods in advance, but only for the next day, based on the sales of the previous day. So they might have some of the goods on stock in a warehouse (several ones per country, to be precise), but not many, and only the mainstream, high volume goods.

I think that they simply have delivery centers ... if you order something, it is delivered from the supplier to such a center, and then to the customer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 19:18
Well, what you describe there sounds not implausible. I honestly didn't have a mental picture of Amazon as in the last scene from "Raiders of the lost Ark" - I'm sure you know the bit, where the camera pans almost eternally around what seems to be an infinitely large warehouse full of dusty crates....Smile
 
We seem to be at the stage where I'm assuming this, and you're supposing that......and unless you're holding back on me, neither of us knows for sure. (Any Amazon employees out there, who can settle this?)
 
Perhaps, after all, Amazon is the unknowable infinite......
 
Either way, I hope I get my CDs next week, along with my dad's book....Cool
 
Thanks, anyhow, Mike, for trying to solve my puzzle Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 13:59
Just as a follow up..........that which was sent by (the much maligned) Royal Mail - arrived this morning...Thumbs Up........that which was due to be simultaneouly delivered by one of these market-driven super efficient, 21 st century, futuristic courier companies (errrmm....DHL.....)......didn't....Thumbs Down.....I'll confirm when it does......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2006 at 13:44
It's six-thirtyish - and no DHL.......Cry.......the best they can now do is Friday.......compare and contrast once more with the simultaneously dispatched parcel entrusted to the Royal Mail (and second-class, note, not even 1st class) which arrived on Tuesday am......mind you, of the 5 that arrived, one sounds like a complete turkey - hands up those who recommended Gnidrolog ? Let's just say they've dated badly.........Thumbs Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2006 at 16:20
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Amazon do not make the goods themselves ... they order them from other merchants. And I'm pretty sure that they don't have a "warehouse". That is way too expensive. Instead they have agreements with their suppliers ... that's how they know when they'll be able to ship the goods. If it says "24 hours" that means that they can get the supplier to ship the item within that interval.
 
They do, actually. At least Amazon UK does - I used to drive past it on occasion.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2006 at 16:23
Originally posted by crimson thing crimson thing wrote:

It's six-thirtyish - and no DHL.......Cry.......the best they can now do is Friday.......compare and contrast once more with the simultaneously dispatched parcel entrusted to the Royal Mail (and second-class, note, not even 1st class) which arrived on Tuesday am......mind you, of the 5 that arrived, one sounds like a complete turkey - hands up those who recommended Gnidrolog ? Let's just say they've dated badly.........Thumbs Down
 
Yes, I had a similar experience a couple of years ago with Amazon UK: a courier-delivered (City Link if I recall correctly) MP3 player was smashed and the CDs inside the same box had their cases broken. It was properly packed, so it must have been damaged by the courier company.
 
Amazon sent me the replacement by registered Royal Mail and it arrived in perfect order.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2006 at 17:55
Having tracked the order on the Amazon site, I find DHL didn't even pick up their half-order until yesterday lunchtime.........Angry.....I hope someone from Amazon reads this & Fitz's bit above & realises who gives best service here.........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2006 at 09:39
Well, it's arrived.......battered & bruised, beaten up, covered in black marks where it's been stepped on, or run over by a trolley.......bits of cardboard flap loose inside where they've been ripped off the outside.......DHL - "Drop it. Hit it. & Laugh".
 
A delivery driver who initially wanted me to sign unseen. I got suspicious, and looked at the package first. Then I said I wouldn't sign until I'd opened it. "Can't do that Sir". So I had to shout for my wife to witness & cosign that the parcel was severely damaged.
 
Message to Amazon : DON'T USE DHL - THEY'RE CRAP!
 
STICK WITH ROYAL MAIL!
 
I have, of course, spoken to Amazon on the phone & registerd my complaint against DHL. We have had lots of problems in the past with DHL, with respect to deliveries from other outlets, not just Amazon, and I told them that too.
 
When I've calmed down, I shall see if the music was worth it.
Earlier, I was in a "Land of Grey & Pink" mood.
Now, I'm in a "Thrak" mood.........and I don't even like "Thrak".........
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