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Posted: November 21 2005 at 00:31 |
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Obviously they're a power metal band first, but I've seen them listed
in a few places as prog metal (Wikipedia with their hilarious
half-strict rules or Artistdirect, for instance). I've never really
thought of them as prog aside from on a few parts of "Elements, part
one", but I'm curious as to what you guys think.
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 03:00 |
No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog simultaneously.
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Norbert
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 03:13 |
They're not a prog band, altough they're technically very good. A decent melodic power metal band.
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 04:33 |
 Pafnutij wrote:
No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog simultaneously.
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Do you know Adagio and Symphony X? 
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 04:36 |
Pafnutij wrote:
No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog simultaneously.
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According to this site...power metal+keyboard solos=prog metal 
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 08:45 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Pafnutij wrote:
No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog simultaneously.
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Do you know Adagio and Symphony X?
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Well yeah SyX is quite power-metallish and I think DT's Images and Words is too, but they are different Stratovarius and their clones cause they use that power-metal approach in a more creative way (damn, i guess there IS prog power metal then  )
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 11:55 |
Pafnutij wrote:
No, I dont think you can be power metal and prog simultaneously.
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Then why is Pagan's Mind here? 
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Posted: November 24 2005 at 20:15 |
They are more prog than Nightwish IMO, which is in the archives..
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Posted: November 24 2005 at 20:28 |
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No, Stratovarius is not a progressive band, although they're technically very skilled and I like a lot of their stuff.
Has anybody heard their abysmal new single, Maniac Dance? It
sounds like Motley Crue, but less musically interesting, which is
something I never thought any band could accomplish, let alone
one that's normally good like Strato.
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Posted: November 24 2005 at 21:07 |
Yes, Stratovarius is not prog. But, again more "prog" than Nightwish ;)
But i agree, none are prog...
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Posted: November 24 2005 at 21:58 |
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Yeah, but it's pretty much universally accepted that the inclusion of
Nightwish on this site is a mistake and they aren't a prog band, so
using them as a reason to include other bands doesn't make much sense.
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Posted: November 24 2005 at 22:17 |
Ok. You are the rightest person i've ever seen 
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 21:01 |
Ty1020 wrote:
No, Stratovarius is not a progressive band, although
they're technically very skilled and I like a lot of their stuff.
Has anybody heard their abysmal new single, Maniac Dance? It
sounds like Motley Crue, but less musically interesting, which is
something I never thought any band could accomplish, let alone
one that's normally good like Strato.
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Yeah, I think it's kind of weak. I'm not particularly fond of their new
album. But with all of the turmoil they've dealt with in recent years,
I think they deserve a free pass for one album.
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Posted: April 13 2008 at 15:14 |
Thought I'd resurrect this one with my members (only) hat on.
I'm sure the prog metal team will be aware of Statovarius. What are your (and other members) views on them being listed on the site, either as prog metal, or perhaps as prog related?
It seems to me that much of what they do has strong prog connections, both in terms of individual tracks, and the way they put their albums together.
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Posted: April 13 2008 at 16:47 |
^^my feeling is if you open the door to Stratovarius, you'll be opening the door to a whole host of Symphonic Power metal bands like Sonata Arctica, Vision Divine, Circle II Circle and so on...its difficult to see where it would end.... 
...I think there is a general consensus of oppinion that Masterplan should never have been included...
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Posted: April 13 2008 at 17:29 |
Oh no, for God's sake!
Otherwise let's include everyone who ever pulled the strings.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Posted: April 14 2008 at 03:24 |
fandango wrote:
^^my feeling is if you open the door to Stratovarius, you'll be opening the door to a whole host of Symphonic Power metal bands like Sonata Arctica, Vision Divine, Circle II Circle and so on...its difficult to see where it would end....
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you cant deny they classical influence, and this door got opened in the second that symp x were added.
Modern Progressive Power Metal (American Style)
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a way these bands revived the music which had sparked the Progressive
Metal movement in the 1980s. In the meantime the musical environment
had changed a lot, for example neo-classical elements had been made
popular by one Yngwie J. Malmsteen. This was influential for most
Progressive Metal bands which were rooted in power metal.
The
following bands can largely be attributed to American Power Metal,
although some are borderline to the Eclectic/Mainstream Progressive
Metal bands.
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by this site policy's, they considered as prog!!!
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Posted: April 14 2008 at 04:26 |
Yes, Stratavarious are higly skilled and have some prog elements in their songs, I won't deny that.
A lot of power metal bands have prog elements in their music, but they aren't prog, and niether is Stratovarius IMO and I'm sure a lot of other people yet to come across this thread, will probably agree they aren't prog.
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Posted: April 14 2008 at 04:39 |
bluesynight wrote:
you cant deny they classical influence, and this door got opened in the second that symp x were added.
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I have to be honest, I don't usually bother getting involved in these types of conversations on this site, as they tend to quickly become circular and ultimately pointless...but surely having a 'classical influence' just isn't enough, and there is a raft of difference between Symph X and Strato in style...an average Strato album has one or two tracks out of the 10 which may be considered more expansive in terms of structure, length and intracacy of concept, but then so do Vision Divine and a load of others; its become part of the Power metal mantle...
but in terms of time and tempo changes, and clear Progressive influence, they just don't come close to S X...not by a long way, and therefore shouldn't be added... 
Edited by fandango - April 14 2008 at 04:41
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Posted: April 14 2008 at 04:39 |
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Stratovarius are one of the first power metal bands I got into and I used to think they are prog metal. Not anymore. Infinite is my favorite album from them.
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