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Points: 15141 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2010 at 12:26
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Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

So, as of next year it'll be five years since 10,000 Days came out... What are the chances of a new Tool album that year?

Given their release patterns, I'd say it's honestly anywhere from 0%-100%.

But I don't get what people see in them, so I don't really care. Tongue

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You mean besides the fact that I think Tool would improve significantly by making shorter albums with less filler?

I'm with David on this one... don't really see what the big fuss about Tool is. Lateralus has some nice tracks, but yeah, a lot is pure, unadultered filler.

f**k me, right? Tongue

Yes.  F**k both of you.

Lateralus is a masterpiece.
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lol, "The Tool Syndrome".
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Don't get me wrong, when Tool is good, they're really good. But it annoys me extremely that they think they have to make albums that are always really f**king long. Because most long albums generally have too much filler IMO. Heck, one of my favorite albums from this year is a mere 28 minutes and has zero filler. Bands that make long albums with too much filler suffer from what I call "The Tool Syndrome".

What album are you referring to?
    
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I will say that I always stop Undertow after Flood ends.
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Lateralus is the closest thing to a masterpiece that Tool has made so far, but it isn't one. I'd say 3.5 stars at best.

Ænima is barely average, and don't get me started on Undertow or 10,000 Days.
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Originally posted by ptkc123 ptkc123 wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, when Tool is good, they're really good. But it annoys me extremely that they think they have to make albums that are always really f**king long. Because most long albums generally have too much filler IMO. Heck, one of my favorite albums from this year is a mere 28 minutes and has zero filler. Bands that make long albums with too much filler suffer from what I call "The Tool Syndrome".

What album are you referring to?

The s/t Daughters release. If you like metal or noise, you definitely need to check it out.
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I will say that I always stop Undertow after Flood ends.

Yeah.

I have listened through Disgustipated all the way though.  It's very odd.
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Yeah, I agree Tool's albums are a bit too long. That doesn't prevent them from being fantastic though (except Undertow). 
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Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

I will say that I always stop Undertow after Flood ends.


THIS
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THIS
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

I will say that I always stop Undertow after Flood ends.


THIS
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THIS
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LIFE
FEEDS ON LIFE
FEEDS ON
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The carrots are our brothers!
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I also don't understand why Tool gets praised so much for their use of mathematics. Meshuggah's use of math is much more complex and original IMO. And more of a mindf**k too. Rawks
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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2010 at 12:33
Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

I will say that I always stop Undertow after Flood ends.


THIS
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THIS
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LIFE
FEEDS ON LIFE
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THIS DAY IS HARVEST DAY, BUT FOR THEM, IT IS THE HALOCAUST

The carrots are our brothers!
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Points: 4489 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2010 at 12:34
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

I also don't understand why Tool gets praised so much for their use of mathematics. Meshuggah's use of math is much more complex and original IMO. And more of a mindf**k too. Rawks

Yeah, but they're both praised for it... just Tool's more popular, that's all.Ouch
    
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by NecronCommander NecronCommander wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

I will say that I always stop Undertow after Flood ends.


THIS
IS
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THIS
IS
NECESSARY
LIFE
FEEDS ON LIFE
FEEDS ON
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IS
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The carrots are our brothers!


THIS DAY IS HARVEST DAY, BUT FOR THEM, IT IS THE HALOCAUST
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2010 at 12:35
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

I also don't understand why Tool gets praised so much for their use of mathematics. Meshuggah's use of math is much more complex and original IMO. And more of a mindf**k too. Rawks

What about Sleepytime Gorilla Museum? They write songs about math professors.
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OK, I'm gonna eat some lunch-foods now.

Bye guys!
    
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This is a great song:
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

I also don't understand why Tool gets praised so much for their use of mathematics. Meshuggah's use of math is much more complex and original IMO. And more of a mindf**k too. Rawks

What about Sleepytime Gorilla Museum? They write songs about math professors.

Rofl.

Problem with Tool is, for some reason, they have a lot of crossover appeal.

I think what they did with the structure on Lateralus is f**king brilliant.

If we're comparing the degree of mathematics in each band, Tool would be Geometry Metal, and Meshuggah would be Calculus Metal.
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Points: 28772 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2010 at 12:38
Old speakers are re-attached.  I want Z-5500s now, but I don't want to spend $325+ on them...
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Points: 24598 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2010 at 12:40
Originally posted by ptkc123 ptkc123 wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

I also don't understand why Tool gets praised so much for their use of mathematics. Meshuggah's use of math is much more complex and original IMO. And more of a mindf**k too. Rawks

Yeah, but they're both praised for it... just Tool's more popular, that's all.Ouch

That's because Tool still makes very melodic music, can be accessible at times (grunge influences), and has more mainstream appeal. Meshuggah abandons any traditional sense of melody and harmony in rock music, is atonal, is thrash-based, and is intentionally heavily inaccessible.

That being said, I think Meshuggah is still more influential on metal than Tool, but I think Meshuggah's more influential than Metallica, so take that for what you will. Tongue

See ya Jordan!


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