Camel - 2nd Division or Premier League?

andu wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: andu wrote: Remember, you're talking to the guy who says all prog post 1983 is boring... Who me? no I think Mars Volta, Radiohead and some post rock is good, just the 70s were the golden years, anyway thats a digression. No, I'm talking about this: Modern prog is boring mainly

Ho ho ho! Raindance critiques modern prog by saying the older stuff is light years ahead and yet defends an average band and then puts down Genesis, Caravan, Pink Floyd and the Who. Raindance 2007 is a hoot!

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What, well I think Camel made all their records great. Something that most of the best bands couldn't do. They're obvious premier league for me.

Andy Latimer is my favourite guitarist.

I'm just so astounded that so many people like such banal music, mind you Phil Collins is popular.

Ghost Rider wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: I'm just so astounded that so many people like such banal music, mind you Phil Collins is popular. It's banal for you, which is perfectly legitimate. However, it is much less so to put other people's tastes down.  Besides, I can't really see the connection between Phil Collins and Camel. As a matter of fact, I loathe PC, while I quite like Camel, as I said in an earlier post. Though they may not be as ground-breaking as King Crimson or Gentle Giant, their music is undeniably valid.

I don't want to put your tastes down I want to encourage you to discover the better prog out there, and frankly I'm sick of Camel such an average band getting all the coverage while better prog is marginalised and better more original artists do not get the coverage they diserve, I want to encourage people to think carefully and realise why Camel were never considered a major prog force, of course I do not want to spoil your enjoyment, but really Camel should not have any albums in the top 50 , lets leave that to the better prog groups who deserve it .


Edited by Cheesecakemouse - October 01 2007 at 05:55

I understand your point of view, though in my case you shouldn't worry - I can both listen to Camel from time to time, as well as discover 'better' prog. My point is, you're not going to encourage anyone by putting their tastes down, or saying that Camel are average. Tastes are a very individual thing, and what is 'better' for you may be completely uninteresting for someone else.

That said, Camel are not even one of my favourite bands... I do enjoy their music and consider it good, but there are other bands I find more stimulating. So, as you can see, our takes on the subject are not that different... What I was objecting to is the way you're putting things. Unfortunately, no one can stop people from starting threads on this or that band... Telling them they don't understand anything about 'good' prog is not going to make them change their minds - on the contrary, it will only irritate them and possibly start a flame war.

Premier League

Logically, 2nd or 3rd Division probably.

But since Cert probably created the Premier League with bands like Genesis, Jethro Tull and Gentle Giant in mind, bands that have enough, erm, Scottish Division material (runs), Camel should join them in the Premier League.

I'm going to say 1st division. They really are a great band but, as already has been said would have benefited from a good singer. But perhaps they may have had less instrumental passages if that was the case so maybe a blessing in disguise.