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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2011 at 10:24
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

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some quotes yes (the rhythm of Only Child),
some plagiarism (the chord progression of Puncture Wound)
and similarities: the rhythm and mood of Portishead, the lush psychedelic arpeggios of Cocteau Twins, rhythm again for Desperation, wailing guitars of Bauhaus in Untitled.


There's more probably, but I only know the leading post-punk bands, not much obscurities.




Interesting, thanks a lot. I guess he's intregrated them so well that I can only hear "Steven Wilson" in there. Kudos to him.


Yes, it's one of his gifts, and the same goes for the new album, you can hear it refers to classic prog but the clear references are rare, some Crimson Circus (or Island?) vocals is all I spotted so far.
And it never sounds retro Approve


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2011 at 16:56
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

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some quotes yes (the rhythm of Only Child),
some plagiarism (the chord progression of Puncture Wound)
and similarities: the rhythm and mood of Portishead, the lush psychedelic arpeggios of Cocteau Twins, rhythm again for Desperation, wailing guitars of Bauhaus in Untitled.


There's more probably, but I only know the leading post-punk bands, not much obscurities.




Interesting, thanks a lot. I guess he's intregrated them so well that I can only hear "Steven Wilson" in there. Kudos to him.


^^Yep.  I hear bits and pieces of stuff all the time from all over the place.  He just has a genius for making it all work.

Heck: Raider II is an obvious salute to/rip-off of (depending on your perspective) Cirkus....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2011 at 18:03
Originally posted by riyen73 riyen73 wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by TopographicTales TopographicTales wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Just bought it so I haven't listened yet, but all these positive comments make me feel a bit better about it. I feared Wilson was losing something with both FOABP and TI.

Really?? FOABP is a great album and one of PT's best IMO.
 
FOABP was only good to my ears. The long track (name escapes me atm) and Way Out Of Here are excellent, and the title track is pretty good (though lyrically not too good, luckily there is enough enjoyable music). I don't really care for the other three. Definitely listenable (unlike most of TI) but by no means something I want to listen to aside from playing through the record. I'd give it about a 3 overall.
 
But compared to other PT releases (especially the two prior) it was a step down for my taste.


I would add Sentimental to the above 3 as well. The other two I don't care for. 4 out 6 songs are pretty nice on the album.
 
It's alright. I put it in the same league as My Ashes...fair to good. Both are certainly better than Sleep Together which is my least  favorite from the album.
 
I agree with Jake...that Nil Recurring EP is excellent. Better than Fear for me. I forgot that existed. TongueEmbarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2011 at 18:10
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

 
It's alright. I put it in the same league as My Ashes...fair to good. Both are certainly better than Sleep Together which is my least  favorite from the album.
 
I agree with Jake...that Nil Recurring EP is excellent. Better than Fear for me. I forgot that existed. TongueEmbarrassed

Yea, i love Nil Recurring!
I honestly think Anesthetize should have been shortened and added some of the EP's content.
Maybe the title track and Cheating the Polygraph?

On the note of Sleep Together, i might agree that it's my least favorite, but i don't consider it too bad.
As mentioned i would of liked to see Cheating the Polygraph on the album more though. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 01:09
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:


Yea, i love Nil Recurring!
I honestly think Anesthetize should have been shortened and added some of the EP's content.


For me, I usually listen to the first two "parts" of Anesthetize and skip the third part. I know people who like the third part a lot - but for me after the aggressiveness towards the end of part 2, part 3 doesn't work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 08:55
My Special Edition just arrived....




Listening to the Blu-ray in glorious DTS Master audio and it's progalicious baby!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 09:45
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

My Special Edition just arrived....




Listening to the Blu-ray in glorious DTS Master audio and it's progalicious baby!


just got mine!
this album, i think, is not as good as insurgentes that i really enjoyed. but it seems very interesting...i think i will have to listen to it very many times before it gets boring!

the record is fantastic but no masterpiece. it's not the "album of the year". the book is amazing though, i would gladly have paid 55 euros for it even without the music! this is lasse hoiles best work so far in my opinion. so dark and mysterious. also the images are very enjoyable as i too am a polaroid photographer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 10:20
Tip for the Blu-Ray

If you click on the "songs" option on the main memory you get presented with the individual songs (obviously). Click on any song and you get various options to view video, or lyrics, alternative version, photographs etc!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 11:47
Just got my digibook edition... very beautiful indeed :)
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 12:10
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:


Yea, i love Nil Recurring!
I honestly think Anesthetize should have been shortened and added some of the EP's content.
Maybe the title track and Cheating the Polygraph?

On the note of Sleep Together, i might agree that it's my least favorite, but i don't consider it too bad.
As mentioned i would of liked to see Cheating the Polygraph on the album more though. 
 
Nil Recurring is fantastic, but I find it odd that no one ever mentions What Happens Now? when I find that to be the best track on the EP.  Although, I can't agree with shortening Anesthetize as the song as a whole is really incredible.  Just my opinion, though. Smile  Something else that I've noticed, too, is that most everyone loves certain eras of PT and usually can't get into the others.  This is probably just me being a PT/SW "fanboy", but I've found something to love in ALL of PT's various eras. 
 
As for Grace For Drowning, I've only heard the one track that was available to download free and that's it.  I'm waiting for Amazon to get the digibook version in before I order it.  I have high hopes for this album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 12:14
This is one of the most confusing, beautiful, and haunting albums I've ever heard. I'd hesitate to call it "rock". In any case, I don't think it's really comparable to anything Porcupine Tree has done. The only thing I could compare it to is Insurgentes, from which this is definitely a step up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 14:06
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Tip for the Blu-Ray

If you click on the "songs" option on the main memory you get presented with the individual songs (obviously). Click on any song and you get various options to view video, or lyrics, alternative version, photographs etc!
Spent Sunday evening happily going through them all. The very last song and video is something to behold in HD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 14:58
Midway through and so far this is really great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 15:45
Does Gavin play drums on this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 15:50
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Does Gavin play drums on this?

no. its nic france (first time drumming with sw here) on most tracks and apparently pat mastelotto on a few.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 15:52
Originally posted by idiotPrayer idiotPrayer wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Does Gavin play drums on this?

no. its nic france (first time drumming with sw here) on most tracks and apparently pat mastelotto on a few.


Thanks.  The drumming is overall excellent on the record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 16:31
I just ordered it and payed 14 cents for it Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 16:49
This is way beyond Blackfield (which I don't like at all), and I'm glad I bought it.  For me he'll never beat Sky Moves Sideways though...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 16:57
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Grace Under Pressure: An Interview with Steven Wilson
Steven Wilson is music’s answer to Chuck Yeager: He’s continually striving to break sound barriers.

On his second solo album, Grace for Drowning (released September 27 on K-Scope), the frontman of the rock band Porcgupine Tree has forged an unusual sonic alchemy of progressive rock, textural electronica, piano-pop balladry, soundtrack-like soundscapes, doom rock . . . and jazz.

When a rock musician admits to a new jazz direction, you’d be forgiven for conjuring up images of a cheesy confection akin to Spinal Tap’s Jazz Odyssey. But Wilson had a specific template in mind: King Crimson’s pioneering 1970 album Lizard.

“Lizard is basically Robert Fripp’s solo album”, explains Wilson, who recently remastered the King Crimson back catalog in 5.1 surround sound. “King Crimson had broken up. It was just him. What did he do? He didn’t get in a load of rock musicians, he got in a load of jazz musicians. That’s really the approach I took with this record.”

Taking advantage of Porcupine Tree’s current hiatus, Wilson recorded the album with some of Britain’s top jazz musicians, including drummer Nic France, guitarist Mike Outram, and Theo Travis, a flautist and sax player who has worked with Fripp, Soft Machine Legacy, Gong, and some of Wilson’s previous projects.

But the biggest change wasn’t Wilson’s musical company, it was his own modus operandi. A musical Magellan who is constantly exploring the exotic sounds inside his head, Wilson is accustomed to mapping out each musical coordinate prior to recording. This time, Wilson encouraged his musicians to improvise their solos. He even instructed Nic France to treat each song as if it were an extended solo rather than focus on holding down a groove.

“Another interesting thing about the Crimson records is that none of those drum tracks were cut to a click track”, marvels Wilson. “The drummer is speeding up and slowing down all the time. In a way that is not rhythmically precise but is musically exciting.”

Relaxing in a New York studio control room that resembles the bridge of the Starship Enterprise (albeit with expensive teak paneling), Wilson stresses that he has never been a fan of instrumental virtuosity for its own sake. Indeed, most tracks on Grace for Drowning sit in the sweet Lagrange point between the often-opposing gravitational forces of melodic songcraft and showboat musicianship. The result is an ambitious double album filled with audibly tactile textures.

“I was really focused on one thing on this record, and that was the beauty of sounds”, reveals Wilson who, at 43, seemingly hasn’t aged in 10 years. “The tone of the snare drum, which you don’t hear in metal music. To hear the breathing of woodwinds and the creaking of old mellotrons and Leslie cabinets and a real choir. A very kind of organic palette of golden sounds, which is something I associate with that period of experimentation and searching of the early 1970s.”

For all its modern flourishes, Grace for Drowning deliberately harkens back to the sound of early progressive rock bands such as Henry Cow, Van der Graaf Generator, Dr. Strangely Strange, Yes, Caravan, and Jethro Tull. Not coincidentally, Wilson has recently created 5.1 mixes for the latter two groups.

“If you analyze what happened to progressive rock after punk came along—and there have been various resurgences and revivals of progressive rock since then—they’ve all eliminated jazz from the equation”, says Wilson. “Jazz is the forgotten element of that music. When bands play progressive rock now, it’s more clinical, it has that metal sound—and I’m including some of my own music in that category, too.”

Wilson’s vast discography encompasses a wide variety of bands and ongoing collaborations. Though he is best known as the leader of Porcupine Tree (a band whose “progressive metal” tag barely describes its stylistic range), Wilson’s extracurricular activities include the art-rock group No-Man, the pop-rock band Blackfield, the Krautrock of I.E.M., and the minimalist drone electronica of Bass Communion. Throughout his work, Wilson has often created brooding and ominous music. Grace for Drowning certainly has its fair share of dark elements, but it is just as often resplendent with exultant, joyous sounds.

“You’ll notice the use of choir on some of the songs”, enthuses Wilson. “It’s almost over the top on ‘Postcard’. It’s almost like a Hollywood moment. Sickly sweet. That’s new for me—to not be afraid of being even a little bit kitsch in a way. Because there’s always a danger, when you do things like that, that people will accuse you of being pretentious, pompous, over the top. I don’t care anymore.”

Wilson is so proud of the record that he is mounting his first-ever solo tour, which arrives in North America in November (for tour dates, see http://www.gracefordrowning.com). The concerts will feature big-budget production values, including screens that will spool specially made videos for songs from Grace for Drowning, as well as videos for Wilson’s 2009 solo album, Insurgentes. (Notably, Grace for Drowning is the first-ever new rock album released primarily as a Blu-Ray video disc, with music in 5.1 surround sound and accompanying video content.)

Yet Wilson is all-too-aware that his solo music faces an enormous challenge finding a mainstream audience. Last year, Porcupine Tree sold out Radio City Music Hall in New York City—just a few blocks away from the studio where Wilson is sitting this late July afternoon—but the band scarcely attracted any media attention for that show. The band’s 10th album, The Incident, breached the Top 25 album charts on both sides of the Atlantic, but Porcupine Tree hasn’t garnered much airplay.

“If I had been an equivalent artist in almost any other genre, I’d probably would have done a lot better than I have because I chose to work in the progressive rock—or, rather, it chose me”, muses Wilson. “It’s the hardest music, i) because of its reputation, and ii) because it’s music that, by definition, requires more listening attention to absorb and to engage with.”

Nevertheless, the British musician says he is thrilled with the devotion and engagement of his fans who, he says, tend to buy the entire back catalog. Besides, he’s reached a point of acceptance—though not acquiescence—about the lack of greater mainstream attention.

“The album title came from reading stories and accounts of people who have had near-death experiences with drowning”, says Wilson. “They all say the same thing: They got a point where they stopped struggling where they reached a point of calm, of grace. I like Grace for Drowning as a metaphor for my life. I don’t really care anymore if I’m successful or if I’m going to be more successful than I am already. I’d still like to share my music with more people. But I’m not stressed about it. I’m making the best music I’ve ever made now because I feel totally liberated from trying to please anyone.”
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2011 at 17:08
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

My Special Edition just arrived....




Listening to the Blu-ray in glorious DTS Master audio and it's progalicious baby!


That looks like a nice couch!


Oh, and a beautiful album, too EmbarrassedWink
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