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progkidjoel 
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 Posted: February 05 2011 at 07:26 |
 crimhead wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Adams Bolero wrote:
timburlane wrote:
2; Love Beach - ELP (all of it, it's horrid) |
It is not all horrid; there is some great music in it. I will defend Love Beach till my dying day! |
You and me, pal!  |
Add me as well but......the LP cover has got to go.
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I'll join the bandwagon, never thought Love Beach was as terrible as many seem to think. Also, I'm surprised to not see much love for The Battle of Epping Forest, I've always considered it to be one of their absolute best tracks.
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Dellinger
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 22:19 |
boo boo wrote:
That's pretty sweet, the only bass I have is a cheap Telluride. :(
But i'm not a good enough musician to deserve anything of higher quality I guess.
Anyway, Howe is my favorite guitarist, and I'm very fond of Wetton and Palmer as well (and I like Downes work on Drama too) but a lot of what I've heard from Asia (as in that particular lineup) has been a massive waste of talent. Even when Yes went pop they still had creativity for a while anyway. While right from the get go Asia were doing bland AOR.
I do have their first two albums on vinyl, which I'm not ashamed of because regardless of what I think of the music, the Roger Dean artwork kicks all kinds of ass.
As for Yes. I'd say Big Generator was their first genuine bomb (I do like Final Eyes though) and it wasn't until Wakeman and Howe's return for Keys that they started getting back on the right track. I do think people are a bit too harsh on Rabin though, he's a good guitar player and I think his contributions to 90125 were good at least, and even after that album there were a few gems beneath all the crap, when he had something to work with he did a good job.
Shame about Union though, proof that not all things end up being as cool as they sound on paper, at least the cover art was good.  |
Have you heard Asia's album Phoenix? For me it was better than the first two albums (nothing too spectacular, but it was a very nice pop album); and it features the song Parallel Worlds / Deja / Vortex, which is indeed very close to a prog song (or rather, it begins as a pop song, and then has a very good progressive instrumental section); at least this song is worth hearing from Asia.
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Dellinger
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 22:20 |
boo boo wrote:
That's pretty sweet, the only bass I have is a cheap Telluride. :(
But i'm not a good enough musician to deserve anything of higher quality I guess.
Anyway, Howe is my favorite guitarist, and I'm very fond of Wetton and Palmer as well (and I like Downes work on Drama too) but a lot of what I've heard from Asia (as in that particular lineup) has been a massive waste of talent. Even when Yes went pop they still had creativity for a while anyway. While right from the get go Asia were doing bland AOR.
I do have their first two albums on vinyl, which I'm not ashamed of because regardless of what I think of the music, the Roger Dean artwork kicks all kinds of ass.
As for Yes. I'd say Big Generator was their first genuine bomb (I do like Final Eyes though) and it wasn't until Wakeman and Howe's return for Keys that they started getting back on the right track. I do think people are a bit too harsh on Rabin though, he's a good guitar player and I think his contributions to 90125 were good at least, and even after that album there were a few gems beneath all the crap, when he had something to work with he did a good job.
Shame about Union though, proof that not all things end up being as cool as they sound on paper, at least the cover art was good. |
Have you at least heard Endless Dream from Talk? I really enjoy that song a lot, a great progressive epic song... but of course, not everyone will like it.
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 12:03 |
The Battle of Epping Forest is a masterpiece of Progressive Rock compositions. Sorry timburlane
I neither agree or disagree about Yes and I personally havent heard Love Beach by ELP.
Here's my 3
1.Owner of a Lonely heart - Yes
2. Invisible Touch - Genesis
3. Roll The Bones - Rush
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Blue Effect
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 12:16 |
timburlane wrote:
I was listening to Yes' Tormato album the other day - not a masterwork but an album with a great deal to enjoy contained within, as well a the odd flash of genius (On The Silent Wings Of Freedom for instance). However there is one song on the album which is frankly hideous, I refer of course to The Circus Of Heaven. I can forgive Yes a great deal but truly this track is nothing more nor less than a shocking crime against prog with it's twee syrupyness and sickening sentimentality. This set me to thinking and now I give you my top three crimes against prog:
1; The Circus of Heaven - Yes
2; Love Beach - ELP (all of it, it's horrid)
3; The Battle of Epping Forest - Genesis
you of course may think differently... |
Blasphemy!
Follow You, Follow Me, now that was criminal.
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 12:33 |
boo boo wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Joe's Garage by Frank Zappa
Hawkwind
Gong's Radio Gnome Trilogy
Jon Anderson
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You know, you were the main reason I stopped posting on this forum. |
And this is the main reason I wish you would stop:
boo boo wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
The genre of neo-prog is a crime against music, let alone against prog |
And sign me up for this one too.
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I can hardly stand 70s purists. Oh but you might like newer stuff, as long as it tries really hard to emulate the 70s sound or as long as it doesn't dare be in any way conventional. Might as well listen to BTBAM and pretend it's not scatter shot and horribly strewn together.
Edited by stonebeard - February 12 2011 at 12:34
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boo boo
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:11 |
That has to be the most totally wrongheaded generalisation made about me in quite some time.
Yeah I only like bands that made music in the 70s. What do you know about my taste in music exactly?
I do like music made after the 70s. And most of it doesn't sound "70s ish".
Oh, and I hate neo prog because it's original? What a laugh.
I dont listen to BTBAM, but at least there seems to be an adventerous spirit behind what they do. Unlike IQ which is about as ambitious as a Lifetime original movie, only even more boring.
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:18 |
boo boo wrote:
Oh, and I hate neo prog because it's original? What a laugh. |
I'd rather say you might try hard to avoid liking things that are unoriginal. As this forum repeatedly indicates, it's a common problem with prog fans. "Oh no, an actual song?" *gasp of horror*
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boo boo
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:28 |
Do you realise how much non prog I listen to?
I know a lot of people seem to have a niche in prog. But I'm also into classic rock, hard rock, psychedelic rock, punk, pop, r&b, electronic, alternative rock, hip hop, video game music and whatever I'm in the mood for at the moment, it varies.
Not that my taste is diverse enough to really impress anybody or anything, I don't listen to inuit throat singing or anything like that. But yeah, saying I only like prog is absurd, especially if you consider how often I rant about people who say that prog is superior to all other genres.
I hate neo prog because it's incredibly dull and uninspired, not because it's faux prog (which it is).
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:33 |
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Ah well, your type is endemic around this forum. Just something about Neo that makes you not appreciate it. Your fault, not the genre's. I've been down this road too many times before. Done talking now.
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boo boo
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:49 |
I like a bit of all the prog genres listed on this site.
And I can easily say neo prog is the least interesting of the bunch, it's not a sub-genre so much as a flanderization of the real thing. A sub-genre is supposed to take an idea of the original genre and throw in some extra ingredients. Neo prog's idea of spicing it up is completely watering it all down to the familiar sound of prog but avoiding everything that was ambitious and enjoyable about the original prog movement, it's a bland mechanical imitation. It's as progressive as Toto.
The only neo prog band I've come to like so far is Marillion, and Frost* if they count.
I do think there is great new prog out there, don't get me wrong. But these bands aren't third rate Genesis ripoffs. If anything they're the bands who get hated on by this forum for NOT being third rate Genesis ripoffs.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:52 |
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Can't say I care for your definition of Neo prog.
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javier0889
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Posted: February 12 2011 at 15:15 |
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People arguing what's prog or not.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:11 |
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I find it a bit difficult to disdain or dislike the early IQ, though I am not a huge fan by any means. Or Marillion for that matter. Is "original" just something that sounds out there from your perspective, I mean, how do you define it and just how much prog is original looking at it very strictly? I cannot relate much to whatever laterly neo I have heard, which is not much, but even within that, I thought Frost was pretty interesting and smart.
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lazland
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Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:49 |
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I love neo prog, and the best of the bands in the sub-genre take inspiration from the original era, and turn it into something wondrous and original.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: February 13 2011 at 21:51 |
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Seriously, I can't stand The Battle of Epping Forest. It's like if you took a good album, cut out all of the average parts of all the songs that are uninteresting and just kinda go by, and stitched them all together randomly in one song.
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zwordser
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Posted: February 13 2011 at 22:46 |
Barking Weasel wrote:
Top 3? I have so many more:
"Dog Years" by Rush 
"Rivendell" by Rush
"Lakeside Park" by Rush
"Red Tide" by Rush
"War Paint" by Rush
"Show Don't Tell" by Rush
"You Bet Your Life" by Rush 
"Neurotica" by Rush
"Face Up" by Rush
"Faithless" by Rush
"Presto" by Rush
"Stick It Out" by Rush
"Cold Fire" by Rush
There's more. Rush is responsible for a minor avalanche of garbage. And to make matters worse, "Presto" and "Stick It Out" were on the set list for their most recent tour!
I think most on your list are just so-so Rush songs, not "crimes". But you left off one that I think is a crime (against an otherwise great Signals album): Countdown.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 01:50 |
zwordser wrote:
Barking Weasel wrote:
Top 3? I have so many more:
"Dog Years" by Rush
"Rivendell" by Rush
"Lakeside Park" by Rush
"Red Tide" by Rush
"War Paint" by Rush
"Show Don't Tell" by Rush
"You Bet Your Life" by Rush
"Neurotica" by Rush
"Face Up" by Rush
"Faithless" by Rush
"Presto" by Rush
"Stick It Out" by Rush
"Cold Fire" by Rush
There's more. Rush is responsible for a minor avalanche of garbage. And to make matters worse, "Presto" and "Stick It Out" were on the set list for their most recent tour!
I think most on your list are just so-so Rush songs, not "crimes". But you left off one that I think is a crime (against an otherwise great Signals album): Countdown.
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Most of the songs here listed I really like a lot. Stand out tracks are "Stick It Out", "Presto". "Show Don't Tell", Rivendell" and "Lakesiden Park", but the others bare vall greatv songs too.
And "Countdown" is my favourite song on Signals.
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Tapfret
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 02:20 |
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Show Don't Tell was the great Rush fake out song. I really thought the album was going to be great when I heard that song. It was like, "Oh wow, Rush is back!"....What a disappointment after that.
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Tapfret
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 02:22 |
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
Seriously, I can't stand The Battle of Epping Forest. It's like if you took a good album, cut out all of the average parts of all the songs that are uninteresting and just kinda go by, and stitched them all together randomly in one song. |
That's exactly how I feel...except replace the words"Battle of Epping Forest" with the word "Hemispheres".
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