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shockedjazz 
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Joined: March 12 2008 Location: Madrid (spain) Status: Offline Points: 169 |
 Posted: April 28 2010 at 11:24 |
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Yes finaly i understood you so sorry for the mistake and the tone. Is just i consider Procol (incredible) Symphonic proto-prog, the same with the Moodys...well not the same....i love Procol much more...one of the greatest. |
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ferush
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Joined: August 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 363 |
Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:20 |
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THE BEATLE ALBUM REVOLVER MUST BE DEFINITIVELY INCLUDED IN LIST
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Dick Heath
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Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: April 29 2010 at 07:52 |
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Related discussion at:
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Floydman
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Joined: November 24 2009 Status: Offline Points: 67 |
Posted: April 29 2010 at 10:02 |
Revolver and Sgt Pepper are not the most experimental albums ever it didn't have to be. "Strawberry Fields Forever" was a bizarre sounding pop hit full of avant ideas to create trippy sounds which you couldn't really say that about "Good Vibrations" though I love that song.
It's a fact those were experimental albums with great songs done by the world's greatest pop group showing that rock could be a serious genre. It was one thing for the Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd or Frank Zappa do their weird experimental stuff. Their ideas may have been more out there than the Beatles. The fact is that since they were not on the world stage of music at this point, they could be dismissed as an anomaly. The Beatles put out an album with the experimental trappings, without sacrificing all of their great melodies, the world had no choice but to take notice. Rock, pop, and all of it's cousins, was here to stay. So if you agree or not it was a huge influence. Edited by Floydman - April 29 2010 at 10:05 |
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Devonsidhe
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Joined: April 21 2010 Location: PDX, OR Status: Offline Points: 74 |
Posted: April 29 2010 at 11:43 |
Agreed. The penultimate is never reached without the steps leading up to it. By keeping the pop/rock feel to their work, they were able to reach a bigger audience than those, say, of a Frank Zappa during that time period. By bringing in the public, it made it much easier for the following bands to gain studio support from the record labels or a chance to be heard on the radio and many other elements.
That is not to say the effects of a less commercial band like Frank Zappa and the MOI is less important. Oft times, it is the less heard records aiming for a smaller audience that has the freedom to go beyond the limitations of the public buying sector and aim for work that could be ahead of its time. That work can influence other artists instead of the public and still reach the suburban living rooms through those other artists albeit in a less direct manner.
With all of this cross fertilization, we do not have a single tree to branch out from which is why it is near impossible to look at beginnings. Each branch that comes from a single trunk usually has many roots. Each root usually leads to many branches. Add to that several different trunks of prog, when we try to map it, we have a multi-dimensional nightmare but infinitely enjoyable to explore.
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Even a man who stumbles around in the dark will influence those he does not see.
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17510 |
Posted: April 29 2010 at 15:06 |
Well, let me tell you this ... I was not a prog fan and have never been, because the word means nothing about music!
But in 69 I already had Pink Floyd and Soft Machine and Frank Zappa and had already phazed out of the popular music stuff for the most part. But I was also way more aware of other musics out there from Heinemann, Stockhausen, Terry Riley, Carl Orff, Benjamin Britten, Varese and many others ... so when you hear some Zappa having fun and the mix includes 2 sections of Verese, 1 section of rock music, 1 section of who cares, and 1 section of jazz and 1 section of kitchen sink ... you go immediately ... ohh my gawd ... this guy knows music and knows it well! ... sadly, what has become a definition for prog, is not about people experimenting with music ... but some London based fantasy about some dollies and drugs? Or some pseudo Grimm Brothers like story? Or some pseudo variation on a title to make it sound more interesting and people feeling like the cover was magical and mystical and the music was the same? Ohhh , the better one ... costumes! Like they have never been used on a stage!
Music was the important part, not the media events! ... yes, sometimes we have to stand up naked and do something stupid to get attention and get folks to find something in the art itself ... and while it might not be fun to do that all the time, more often than not it does get the attention. Doesn't make it prog, but it gets attention! Edited by moshkito - April 29 2010 at 15:18 |
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