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Knobby 
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 Posted: June 21 2013 at 07:45 |
As you state, Locomotive came out of Birmingham.
If you look a bit into my list you may discover much of this music came from either UK Midlands or even more north UK up to Scotland - not from London art schools, but from rough blue-collar towns.
Also as many would have it, it was NOT classically-inspired.
And I'm not hearing that much that it is a direct jumpboard from psych.
To my ears, if anything at all the proto SOUND had evolved out of something like instrumental UK take on bluesrock-jazz.
Graham Bond was not merely historically-important for mellotron, but much of proto can be traced back down to him and things like Alexis Korner Band. I think Dick Heath may just support me on this - only he doesnt seem to be posting here anymore.
Edited by Knobby - June 21 2013 at 07:53
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 08:02 |
Arguments are pointless regarding genres, ...let's hear your favorite early proto prog lp's and talk about the music. btw...Locomotive is definitely a cool lp.
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Knobby
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 08:13 |
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ITS NOT A GENRE, FOR FOX'S SAKE!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 08:31 |
 Knobby wrote:
As you state, Locomotive came out of Birmingham.
If you look a bit into my list you may discover much of this music came from either UK Midlands or even more north UK up to Scotland - not from London art schools, but from rough blue-collar towns.
Also as many would have it, it was NOT classically-inspired.
And I'm not hearing that much that it is a direct jumpboard from psych.
To my ears, if anything at all the proto SOUND had evolved out of something like instrumental UK take on bluesrock-jazz.
Graham Bond was not merely historically-important for mellotron, but much of proto can be traced back down to him and things like Alexis Korner Band. I think Dick Heath may just support me on this - only he doesnt seem to be posting here anymore. |
Yes, I agree that the likes of Graham Bond, Brian Auger, Don Shinn and Alexis Korner's roles in the gestation of the Prog beastie is rather under-appreciated and the strong jazz influence at that time subsequently retreated circa the ascendancy of Yes, ELP, Crimson, Genesis et al. However, I'm a bit skeptical about the North/South UK divide re parental disputes about the cradle of Prog and would support the idea that 60's Art Schools (irrespective of location) were pivotal in much subsequent progressive music. From memory, Pete Townshend, Ray Davies, Keith Richards, Thunderclap Newman, Pretty Things et al emerged from such establishments.
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Knobby
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 08:50 |
Of course, Wallace never stated art schools were not important to pwog.
I said, seems the proto-sound came mainly outta elsewhere than the posh knoblandia.
(Those Don Shinn lps are killer, and no one heard them. FINALLY one has bin reissued.)
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The Mystical
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 09:00 |
All Iron Butterfly 
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I am currently digging:
Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!
Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 18:26 |
Knobby wrote:
ITS NOT A GENRE, FOR FOX'S SAKE! |
Move on Knobby.....you sound like a broken record.
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stegor
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Posted: June 21 2013 at 19:19 |
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I haven't listened to it in years, but I couldn't get enough of The Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp when I first heard it. Not saying it was important or incredible or influential, just that it's my favorite album listed under Proto-Prog on this website.
Second would be SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things.
Proto-Prog seems like a good term to define the music to me. I don't care if it's a Genre or not, and I don't know what would give anyone the authority to declare with absolute definition that it isn't. It just amazes me how adamant some folks are that everyone categorizes music the same way they do.
Least favorite? I've never liked anything by The Doors
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 07:23 |
stegor wrote:
I haven't listened to it in years, but I couldn't get enough of The Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp when I first heard it. Not saying it was important or incredible or influential, just that it's my favorite album listed under Proto-Prog on this website.
Second would be SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things.
Proto-Prog seems like a good term to define the music to me. I don't care if it's a Genre or not, and I don't know what would give anyone the authority to declare with absolute definition that it isn't. It just amazes me how adamant some folks are that everyone categorizes music the same way they do.
Least favorite? I've never liked anything by The Doors
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I only obtained a copy of Giles Giles and Fripp about a year ago....even though I 'm a KC fan I never had the urge to get a copy of it. SFSorrow is an excellent early lp and as far as the Doors, being an American and 61, I of course had all the singles and early lp's but I always felt they could have been better and were a bit cheesy at times.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 11:36 |
If I go with the definition of proto-prog as 60's releases that laid the foundations for 70's prog I'd say my faves are these 10
1) Beatles - Sgt Peppers 2) Zappa - Uncle Meat 3) Procol Harum - Shine On Brightly 4) Van Der Graaf Generator - Aerosol Grey Machine 5) Soft Machine - Volumes I & II 6) Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends 7) Rolling Stones - Between the Buttons 8) Renaissance - s/t 9) Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn 10) Doors - Strange Days
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Knobby
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 12:13 |
Bookends.
Killer lp.
Possibly the best lp to come out of Americay.
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ole-the-first
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 14:04 |
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The Doors — The Doors
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This night wounds time.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 14:17 |
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SPRING - my fave proto-prog album thus far - not just for the mellotron madness either........
Wonderful album.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 16:07 |
Knobby wrote:
Bookends.
Killer lp.
Possibly the best lp to come out of Americay. |
"Bridge Over Troubled Water" was #1 throughout the entire world and sold a gazillion copies, but I've always liked "Bookends" much better. I think it's incredibly under-rated as a proto-prog masterpiece. Side 1 is quite the prog suite...a concept on ageing beginning with an unaccompanied guitar piece (forshadowing Fripp on "Poseidon"), dark synthesizer drones & effects (programmed by none other than Bob Moog), my fave S&G song "America" (which we all know Yes covered on Yesterdays) and "Voices of Old People" (which set's the stage for Godspeed You Black Emporer's "They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach"). Side 2 is a collection of outstanding songs, many with a pop-prog sensibility...yup...fantastic album.
Edited by The.Crimson.King - June 22 2013 at 16:50
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Smurph
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Posted: June 22 2013 at 18:10 |
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so I went to youtube and listened to all the tracks from the album and band Touch.
Holy cow. This is great.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 01:48 |
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Don't expect any special insights from me here.
Even though I've heard of Lovecraft, Sardonicus etc., I choose the proto-prog album which is rated the highest by the members of PA: Abbey Road by the Beatles.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 08:39 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Don't expect any special insights from me here.
Even though I've heard of Lovecraft, Sardonicus etc., I choose the proto-prog album which is rated the highest by the members of PA: Abbey Road by the Beatles. |
So, is Abbey Road your favorite prot-prog album, or did you choose it because it's the highest rated on PA? 
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 08:50 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Knobby wrote:
Bookends.
Killer lp.
Possibly the best lp to come out of Americay. |
"Bridge Over Troubled Water" was #1 throughout the entire world and sold a gazillion copies, but I've always liked "Bookends" much better. I think it's incredibly under-rated as a proto-prog masterpiece. Side 1 is quite the prog suite...a concept on ageing beginning with an unaccompanied guitar piece (forshadowing Fripp on "Poseidon"), dark synthesizer drones & effects (programmed by none other than Bob Moog), my fave S&G song "America" (which we all know Yes covered on Yesterdays) and "Voices of Old People" (which set's the stage for<span style="line-height: 1.2;"> Godspeed You Black Emporer's "They Don't Sleep Anymore on the Beach"). Side 2 is a collection of outstanding songs, many with a pop-prog sensibility...yup...fantastic album.</span>
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Hmm....never thought of Bookends as 'proto prog' and they aren't listed here but it is certainly a great lp.
Edited by dr wu23 - June 23 2013 at 08:50
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Knobby
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 13:26 |
Its not protoprog obviously. Awesome record nonetheless. (They cant all be protoprog) And protoprog IS WOT WALLACE SAYS IT IS!
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 17:08 |
Knobby wrote:
And protoprog IS WOT WALLACE SAYS IT IS! |
No.
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