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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Just watched Scott, The Prog Corner, YT review and he gives "Parasonmia" 9.5 out of 10.


I have to admit that I would rather listen to the folks on PA when they express their opinions ... at the very least I know that many of them are much more "educated" in terms of what we all listen to and check out. We might, still, do a few too many old and tired, but goodies, but that's the nature of the art form. 
Scott has an account on PA, and he's interacted with forum members a lot. He's busy now with his show. He has great enthusiasm.

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The likes of Sea Of Tranquility, The Prog Corner and Nathan On Shuffle are just not going to be critical because that's not their 'thing'
One of the biggest pitfalls of the "album review YouTubers" is that they avoid negativity not to hurt people's feelings. But that in consequence makes the reviewers completely lose their credibility.

yeah I agree. I tend to watch these channels for their entertainment value more than anything else. However to be fair to Scot Lade (and others) he helps to promote bands that get little attention elsewhere. His recent show with members of Echolyn was great and also very informative. However do we have a thread discussing Echolyn? Sadly no (although they have chosen perhaps quite reasonably not to put any tracks up on streaming sites so it's difficult) although both bands have been around for a very similar amount of time!
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^ To ignore streaming is a suicidal move for artists. Platforms like Spotify and Bandcamp are promotional devices, and it comes across as incredibly greedy and petty when one in 100 artists says "No! You have to pay up front before you can listen to my music, because I AM SPECIAL!". 

It's their choice, of course. LOL
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The likes of Sea Of Tranquility, The Prog Corner and Nathan On Shuffle are just not going to be critical because that's not their 'thing'
One of the biggest pitfalls of the "album review YouTubers" is that they avoid negativity not to hurt people's feelings. But that in consequence makes the reviewers completely lose their credibility.


yeah I agree. I tend to watch these channels for their entertainment value more than anything else. However to be fair to Scot Lade (and others) he helps to promote bands that get little attention elsewhere. His recent show with members of Echolyn was great and also very informative. However do we have a thread discussing Echolyn? Sadly no (although they have chosen perhaps quite reasonably not to put any tracks up on streaming sites so it's difficult) although both bands have been around for a very similar amount of time!
Yes there is a thread discussing Echolyn but it didn't generate much discussion.

https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=121977
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Pete Pardo gives "Parasonmia" 4.5 out of 5 stars. Says it's heavier than 'Train of Thought' and praises LaBrie's vocals and Portnoy's busy drum work. He mentions great production but he forgot to mention if you can hear Myung in the mix.

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^ No professional influencer would really bash something they are supposed to praise ... it's a business.
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^You're right but in my eyes that's wrong and not helpful.

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^ Who knows, maybe the release is great. Tomorrow even the non-influencers can find out for themselves (and some have already received physical copies throughout the week). Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2025 at 08:13
It shows them to be disingenuous tools. The YouTube guy i have shown interest in, and even then not that much as I have not got into these youtube reviewers, is the very popular and influential Anthony Fantano of The Needledrop. He has come across as sincere in his reviews to me.
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I don't know what I would do. Suppose I had received a nice copy of the release from the label because of what I do at AP. How would that influence my rating and review? In a way I am glad that I am not receiving any promo copies.
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I would not want to receive promo copies if it was not clear that I was going to share my honest impressions. But I still do think I would soften it else I seem ungrateful and rude. That said, easy enough to share a stream or download (I don't care about phyycical product other than vinyl commonly).

But of course the labels/bands do it for promotional purposes and those who would not praise might well not get those promos anymore. "I've come to bury Dream Theater, not to praise them."

Those people then just become part of the marketing and hype machine and I would not trust them nor want to support them if I did not think that they were putting out thoughtful and sincere appraisals of the music. I am prone to a bit of hype, but one should be wary of it. In these post-truth years, truth matters, and we don't need more lackeys or yes men afraid to share their honest appraisals (not saying one should not try to be at all tactful).
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I don't know what I would do. Suppose I had received a nice copy of the release from the label because of what I do at AP. How would that influence my rating and review? In a way I am glad that I am not receiving any promo copies.

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To my knowledge and knowing that Guy Guden has gotten tons of materials, mostly from the record producers and company many of which had more than one artist on hand. Thus choosing one or two, is not a major thing ... but I know that a lot of these things got played, and there was no need for numbers, or ratings, for example ... (none of the hits none of the time!) ... and I don't think there was a single artist that got played that did not appreciate having their material seen and heard.

You can always list it, and review it, and not rate it, I suppose. I think this would be about how you talk to the artists, and they know what is going on. I don't think, or expect that any of them would want you to be influenced and rate and review for that influence ... they probably have a lot more folks that would be glad to ignore the band's work! At least you would not be ignoring them ... but I can not exactly say how the electronic folks in Germany would want to send yo anything ... it's not your thing. Examples would be Erik Wollo, Gert Emmens and a few others ... but there is at least one collective of electronic things that gets played a lot, and even the distributor in the record group has created a promo for Guy. One of more than 200 promos thatGuy has collected over the years. He says he is putting them all on a book ... I don't think that book will ever be finished, since the show is still on, and even two folks have written pieces for the show itself.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ To ignore streaming is a suicidal move for artists. Platforms like Spotify and Bandcamp are promotional devices, and it comes across as incredibly greedy and petty when one in 100 artists says "No! You have to pay up front before you can listen to my music, because I AM SPECIAL!". 

It's their choice, of course. LOL


I think the music industry has put artists in a trap with streaming. Yeah, it's suicidal to ignore it. Yet, it's widely said that artists just don't make enough money out of streaming. And at the same time, the music industry is apparently doing all they can to kill the physical format, making it ever more difficult and expensive to get. However, since most artists are available, people consider that streaming can give them all they want from music and they don't need to buy albums any more. And if any artist decides they don't want to support that media, then they would likely be forgotten... it would be needed most artists to back out from streaming to make albums come back in force, or some other format that would be better for them. I don't know, perhaps they should use streaming only for singles, and whole albums perhaps just for a limited time just at the time of release to give us the chance to hear it before buying it, but then have it available at a reasonable price, preferably still at local music shops or something. I would think streaming should have been designed as a substitute to radio, not to physical media (just as with movies it should have been considered as a substitute to cable TV, and perhaps rental places like Blockbuster, but to to buying the movies).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2025 at 15:09
^ Bandcamp isn't bad. It offers streaming, digital downloads and CDs/vinyls. I applaud every artist making their music available there. However, the music industry (meaning the three big companies which remain) control what happens because they own the vast majority of all the relevant music out there (the songs people listen to the most, across all genres). I think that the popularity of Spotify took them by surprise, and they made the best out of it by making all of their music available there, so they get the lion's share of the money. I think they would be more than happy to go back to the model where consumers pay them even more, directly, for receiving physical copies of the music. But I don't think that most consumers would be willing to go back to that, especially those who grew up knowing mostly the streaming model.

Going back to the topic at hand, let us appreciate that the new Dream Theater release will be available on Bandcamp (in about 50 minutes) Cool 
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^ Yet, as far as I know Bandcamp is more limited in the artists they have available. I'm not so sure about the big companies really wanting to go back to the physical model... I mean, it would make sense for them to want to, but it would seem to me they have working to make it go away. I mean, it's the market for physical copies has decreased, but say, I just went to my local music shop (what's left of it), and it still has people browsing what little they still have available, looking for what they like, and the people from the shop themselves have told me they did keep on selling, only they have ever less material available (they already got rid of all their movies). A little while ago some people made some sort of one day market for vinyls (mostly used) and CDs, and announced in on FB. They had lines of people looking for music, I was actually rather impressed. If the companies had a good strategy I believe they could have a market for both formats. At least for a while longer.
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