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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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I'm talking... I'm talking... I'm talking...
Education succesful ?
Well,
you may be right, in retrospect John weakened a little. I went home yesterday and thought about it... there were also the songs like "Origin Earth" and "Pools of Tears"... ones I always saw as "nice fillers" and no more... but I still believe that this and perhaps the "since then" lack of motivation depended on Les' way of working and John needing Woolly... I think it was not easy for him to go on but it made sense as long as cds sold well and they could fill bigger venues with their live-shows. If all of that stops - like it did, all of a sudden ! - the musician is forced to think about "why am I doing this still ?" and John - who logically compared every new attempt with BJH with the past afterwards - couldn't be satisfied. I think that things like that have their effects on creativity, too ! However, we'll see what he and Woolly will come up with !
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Winston TK ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: April 02 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Great to know that there are some serious BJH fans here. No-one I
know (other than my sister, who once worked in a record store in the
1970s) has even heard of this band! So, most of the time, I feel
like a crusader, trying to enlighten the music masses around me.
Luckily, I have already made a convert or two.
Recently, I just finished my collection of "The Woolly Era" CD's, along with "Eyes Of The Universe" just for good measure. Eventually, I'll venture into the 80s and 90s, but unfortunately these titles are much harder to come by. For anyone who hasn't done so already, I highly recommend purchasing "The Barclay James Harvest Story". It's currently available on their official website. Written by website guardians Keith and Monika Damone, this is the definitive story of the band so far. Loaded with facts, photos and interesting anecdotes, this is an exceptionally well written and compiled biography of a fascinating band. I still use it all the time as my reference manual when trying to date certain albums and singles. One of the most gripping elements of "The Woolly Era" of the band is the dynamic of having three strong writers in the group. To brutally simplify the issue: Woolly was the master of the grandiose and symphonic epic. His material is probably considered to be the most "progressive" arrangement-wise. In fact, quite often it was his contributions to certain albums that were left off the original releases, deemed just too out of place by the producers. Luckily, these have been restored to the remastered re-releases. "Moonwater" and "Maestoso (A Hymn In The Roof Of The World" are classic examples of this. Lees was the master of the protest song, as well as the experimental "cut-and-paste" lyrical approach within certain themes. "Titles", of course, is probably the most obvious example. But, "Nova Lepidoptera" is also good. Holroyd's strong suit was as the writer of their most straightahead rock/pop gems. "Rock And Roll Star" is one of my favourite BJH tracks of all time. Although, my guiltiest pleasure would have to be his "Giving It Up" from "XII". This track is difficult to distinguish at times from Exile's classic 70s pop love standard, "Kiss You All Over". I still find myself listening to this one repeatedly. Instrumentally, all of the members of this band are outstanding. Not as overly apparent as vituosos as their more progressive contemporaries, their skill is remarkable. Don't be fooled. Mel Pritchard's drumming rivals Bill Bruford's on a number of occasions. Holroyd's bass playing, especially on the live albums, is as progressive as you can get at times. Lees' guitar playing is always tasteful. His solos add the most melodic components to the songs much of the time. Finally, Woolly's keyboards are always right where they need to be. And, vocally, all three singers are excellent. Their frequent three-part harmony arrangements are one of the true trademarks of BJH! To witness the magic of this band in a powerful way, I recommend tracking down a copy of their rarified "Caught Live" DVD. This was how I first "discovered" BJH. Watching Woolly sing "Mockinbird" was all it took. I've been postively hooked ever since! |
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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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I'm very excited about John & Woolly coming back again... are you, too ? What songs would you want them to play ? I think their 2001-setlist for the UK ( see www.bjharvest.co.uk ) was close to perfection... but I'd like to hear "Float", too, perhaps - if it works- "The Streets of San Fransisco" and, as Woolly did, "The Poet/After the Day" !
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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Personally I'd have said the John Lees/Woolly Wolstenholme version of BJH is the one that fits my personal (and I'd suspect, most people that are fans on the board) taste. I think they are working on a new album- that would be great, as 'Nexus' had its moments but I think the reworkings let the album down as the songs like 'Sitting On A Shelf', 'The Devils That I Keep', 'Brave New World' and 'Festival!' were amongst the best and progressive sounding the band had managed in years, whilst the reworked old songs smacked of desparation. |
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Mikerinos ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Planet Gong Status: Offline Points: 8890 |
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I'm going to be ordering Once Again / Baby James Harvest on CD soon. Yes, I know Baby James Harvest isn't considered one of their best, but $15 for two albums with a lot of bonus tracks is a pretty good deal
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R o V e R ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 13 2005 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 2747 |
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Get "Gone to Earth"
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Psychedelia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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Oooo they are playing in Colchester i am definately going to go. Yay a chance to see one of my favourite bands
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Another emotional suicide, overdosed on sentiment and pride
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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I suppose they won't come in Italy...
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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The EMI's remasters are excellent, apart only the covers awfully marginalized. BTW, in the inner booklet you'll find the original front and back covers.
My introduction to the BJH's discography was Baby James Harvest.
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Joolz ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1377 |
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I guess there'll be a fair amount of new stuff to debut. Hopefully.
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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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I hope the new stuff is as delightin' as Woolly's and I'll be happy with any, but, well, I have to say that "Festival" doesn't belong to my faves, nor does "Brave new World" ( I'd like to hear FLOAT ! ).
John and Woolly may not come to Italy but in 2007, so do I hope, to Germany and perhaps you, Andrea, can come to Germany then, too ?
I've seen John, Les & Mel in 1992, too, and - in spite of the rather unmotivated video - it was a very special evening I'll never forget. It was the last time ( of 3 ) they came here to my hometown, Freiburg, and there hadn't been too many tickets sold, so the organizers had the venue stooled and closed the empore of the hall.
We ( a bunch of people from the fanclub and me who were first there ) were sad about this and thought of what to do so BJH won't be too frustrated about this.
After To Hell with Burgundy had finished we decided to stand on our chairs come BJH. This urged anyone behind us who wanted to SEE something to do the same, and... they did, the whole audience stood on their chairs for 2 and 1/2 hours, and the band got carried by the good vibes so when Mel came to his solo-spot in "Shadows" he was so happy he didn't wanna stop... a very fine evening.
Well, we'll see ( and hear ) what's comin' on !
Love to all BJH-Fans
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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New remastered albums scheduled on the end of october: this one in particular should be of special interest for prog listeners as it features the last live contribution of Wooly Wolstenholme and his mellotron. It also contains interesting bonus live material. Ok, Live Tapes (1978) is not at the same standard of BJH Live (1974) but it's well worth of attention.
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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Well it's worth having for me just for 'The World Goes On', one of my favourite BJH songs. I have the vinyl- I must say it's not as incendiary as 'Live', but is worth having.
Otherwise, I'd probably only go for the 'Face To Face' and 'Welcome To The Show' remasters. 'Eyes Of The Universe' isn't a favourite and the Berlin gig is a mess of bad overdubs.
Just out of interest, what's the SP on the 'Berlin' remaster?? Any extras or the un-overdubbed version??
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Bonus track have still to be confirmed by Eclectic Records.
The World Goes On is a wonderful track indeed. One of the finest ever written by Les Holroyd. Let's hope the packaging and the booklet will be better than that of BJH Live. The Polydor and the Emii's remasters (these last despite the awful covers) were sublime.
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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I hope Eclectic deal with other bands' unfinished remastered catalogues- they've already started with BJH, The Edgar Broughton Band and Caravan. Let's hope they do Camel next- some of my faves were left unremastered by Decca...
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petrock ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: July 31 2006 Location: Guatemala Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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I just bought BJH Greatest Hits - thanks to this forum - to get an idea what they are all about. Not much prog in this collection, but certainly very nice harmonies. Sort of Crosby, Stills & Nash meet Sargent Pepper`s-age-ballads. Very tastefull.
Which album(s) would you recommend where BJH go more prog ?
Peter
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Hi Peter,
I recommend you to buy BJH Live (1974) in its recent remastered edition. Definitely one of the best live albums ever. Ask Erik Neuteboom, he's also an aficionado of that album. The songs are more powerful and the mellotron has a more prominent role. It's a sublime record!
Of the studio albums:
- Once Again (1971)
- Everyone Is Everybody Else (1974)
- Octoberon (1976)
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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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Dear Andrea... we surely differ here, I think that "Live Tapes" is/was the best BJH-release EVER and it's very exciting to await this long awaited release...
I'd purchase any LIVE-recordings from that time up to Woolly's departure with a heavenly smile, they never SOUNDED better and the feel is simply gorgeous !
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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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Hey, I've just listened to the "clips" of BJHFLH with orchestra, and I have to say it's truly obvious why you don't here any leadvocals by Les... Alex has only chosen the instrumental parts, which, apart from an overblown "Mockingbird" arrangement, sound enjoyable, but the singing ( again, in "Mockingbird" you can hear the "Lala"-Part ! ) is simply embarrassing. Where did Les' voice go ???? Though Pip Williams has done a far better job than expected in arranging the stuff ( far as I can tell from bits & pieces ) and the band came closer in the meantime, it's such a disappointment ( another one ) and I can only hope for what John & Woolly will come up with soon !
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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I think the band have tarnished their already dwindled reputation due to this silliness with 2 versions of BJH, plus the fact their albums are mainly re-recordings now. Happily, John Lees issued a statement saying his creative juices are flowing again so hopefully we'll get a good album. I felt 'Nexus' would have been a much better effort if it had all been new songs, not re-recordings. I enjoyed the new songs on that a lot.
Haven't heard about this orchestral thing, but I didn't like their 70s stuff with orchestras all that much so I doubt time will change that- I felt it overloaded quality tunes, more often than not.
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