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Points: 958 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2009 at 01:08
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^That's the idea Ivan... Brilliant... I'm all for it... Clap
 
Me too Thumbs Up. Don't forget this is a constant recurring theme ! And it would satisfy many reviewers, I'm very sure of that. And also Ivan's idea to leave it at that and make that very clear could solve the problem of constant new proposals in the ratingsystem.
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Oh no. No no no. I've worked out my own little system WITHIN the five point system. A ten point system would drive me nuts. Probably. Actually, no, it probably wouldn't. But that's beside the point. I'd have to...gasp...EDIT REVIEWS!

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Again, I don't think a half-star system is necessary, but of course, that's one fellow's opinion.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Again, I don't think a half-star system is necessary, but of course, that's one fellow's opinion.
 
Not necessary, not even ratings are necessary, everything we add has to be better only.
 
This is my proposal
 
5 stars: Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music
4.5 stars: Still a masterpiece but may not be essential for some
4 stars: Not a masterpiece but close to the status, excellent addition to any Prog collection
3.5 stas: Excellent addition to any prog rock collection
3 Stars: Good addition for any Prog Rock collection, excellent for followers of the sub-genre
2.5 Stars:  Average
2 stars:  Fans/Collectors only
1.5 Stars: Diehard fans Only
1 Star: Not reccomended, buy it at your risk
0.5 stars: Only for those familiar  the band, the album and sure of what they are buying, otherwise, avoid it.
 
Whistler: Yes, I know some will have to change the reviews, but that would be voluntary, If I'm not wrong you have 88 reviews, that wouldn't be so traunatic.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Again, I don't think a half-star system is necessary, but of course, that's one fellow's opinion.
 
Not necessary, not even ratings are necessary, everything we add has to be better only.
 
This is my proposal
 
5 stars: Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music
4.5 stars: Still a masterpiece but may not be essential for some
4 stars: Not a masterpiece but close to the status, excellent addition to any Prog collection
3.5 stas: Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection
3 Stars: Good addition for any Prog Rock  nusic collection, excellent for followers of the genre
2.5 Stars:  Average
2 stars:  Fans/Collectors only
1.5 Stars: Diehard fans Only
1 Star: Not reccomended, buy it at your risk
0.5 stars: Only for those familiar  the band, the album and sure of what they are biuying, otherwise, avoid it.
 
Whistler: Yes, I know some will have to change the reviews, but that would be voluntary, If I'm not wrong you have 88 reviews, that wouldn't be so traunatic.
 
Iván


I understand it could be broken down that way, but I think it's just too nitpicky.  As I mentioned elsewhere, the five star system forces us to think critically about the music.  There have been a few times when I've had a tough time deciding between a 3 and a 4, but the fact that I have to choose one or the other makes me listen more carefully to the music.


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



I understand it could be broken down that way, but I think it's just too nitpicky.  As I mentioned elsewhere, the five star system forces us to think critically about the music.  There have been a few times when I've had a tough time deciding between a 3 and a 4, but the fact that I have to choose one or the other makes me listen more carefully to the music.
 
I agree, but we are not here only for those with the abbility to discriminate as well as you do or people who simply don0t want to give that extra effort and fall in incredible contradictions.
 
I read reviews about albums that are above average and end being rated with twio stars.
 
Th Average rating marks a breaking point that would help a lot, now the Average is not marked, but it's still 3 stars, despite this fact, many people think is too low, others believe average is 2 stars..
 
Plus a masterpiece doesn't has to be essential for everyybody.
 
We are here to get more reviews and to make people's work easier, not ours maybe, we are willing to give that extra step, but many won't and we will gain more reviews
 
But again, this for M@x to decide
 
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How about a letter system :

A - Hi
B - Hello
C - Good Evening
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



I understand it could be broken down that way, but I think it's just too nitpicky.  As I mentioned elsewhere, the five star system forces us to think critically about the music.  There have been a few times when I've had a tough time deciding between a 3 and a 4, but the fact that I have to choose one or the other makes me listen more carefully to the music.
 
I agree, but we are not here only for those with the abbility to discriminate as well as you do or people who simply don0t want to give that extra effort and fall in incredible contradictions.
 
I read reviews about albums that are above average and end being rated with twio stars.
 
Th Average rating marks a breaking point that would help a lot, now the Average is not marked, but it's still 3 stars, despite this fact, many people think is too low, others believe average is 2 stars..
 
Plus a masterpiece doesn't has to be essential for everyybody.
 
We are here to get more reviews and to make people's work easier, not ours maybe, we are willing to give that extra step, but many won't and we will gain more reviews
 
But again, this for M@x to decide
 
Iván
 
Again 100% subscribe !  The biggest problems for my ratings are indeed between 3 and 4 stars. And I have seen at least a thousand ! (and probably many more) 3.5 ratings when I read reviews. So that confirms my statement that this is a significant problem. But also the masterpiece status of albums suffers in the recent system. I have about 35 five starratings but there is big difference between them and some of them are screeming for a 4.5 possibility. And of course there are also 4 star cases that are in fact 4.5 and they are done hard by right now. With Ivan's proposal it could all be solved leaving the raters and reviewers much more satisfied with the outcome.
And Ivan is also right about the two star problem. I'm convinced many albums have received two stars but are actually 2.5 and I think that's a big difference to the album. Especially the more critical reviewers like Kenethlevine, Zowieziggy and Sean Trane could adjust many many ratings and have given two stars just because the albums were a bit less than the real good ones.
I think in the end it makes a big difference for many albums (I already posted a topic about this) especially those who have just a few reviews or ratings. Again I will give this example that makes it all clear:
 
In this example this album would get some 3,2 as average instead of 2,96. Makes a difference doesn't it ?


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I agree completely with Ivan and Progrules: Let all existing ratings stand, but introduce 0.5 steps in between. Since all members can now edit their reviews (I just received a mail about that), it would enable me to rate some albums which I gave 5* to 4.5*, simply because I think they are a masterpiece, but I recognize that they are not necessarily also a masterpiece for the whole genre prog. Stated differently...I can then distinguish between what I think is great, and what I think is essential to all prog lovers. Now this choice is not available...
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I think indeed Ivan's opinion be very good, but can M@X change the system easily?
I'm afraid it's so hard for him...and how should be the ratings previously posted? Hmm...
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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

I think indeed Ivan's opinion be very good, but can M@X change the system easily?
I'm afraid it's so hard for him...and how should be the ratings previously posted? Hmm...
 
No need to change anything, because:
 
  1. Now everybody is able to change their reviews
  2. Those who don't want, won't see their ratings affected, because a 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1 star review, would be as valid after the change as before.

But we must forget about the 1 to 10 new system,. because in that case, the 5 stars rating would represent average, so lets stay with the 5 system but with EXTRA half points, in the worst scenario, an album awarded with 4.5 or 5 will still be a masterpiece and a 0.5 and a 1 star rating will also be very much close to say "better avoid it pal"

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So Sean Trane could go through his 1000 plus reviews and amend those that he wrote were really x.5 ?LOL
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I would literally have to go through a bunch of reviews and completely re-write them, because I wrote them based on a 5-star system.

I also agree with Robert (Epignosis) that the 5-star system forces listening to the music more carefully and I think the limiting choice of stars is actually a benefit in this case, rather than something negatively restricting.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

I think indeed Ivan's opinion be very good, but can M@X change the system easily?
I'm afraid it's so hard for him...and how should be the ratings previously posted? Hmm...
 
No need to change anything, because:
 
  1. Now everybody is able to change their reviews
  2. Those who don't want, won't see their ratings affected, because a 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1 star review, would be as valid after the change as before.

But we must forget about the 1 to 10 new system,. because in that case, the 5 stars rating would represent average, so lets stay with the 5 system but with EXTRA half points, in the worst scenario, an album awarded with 4.5 or 5 will still be a masterpiece and a 0.5 and a 1 star rating will also be very much close to say "better avoid it pal"

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Introducing a new 10 star system would be as easy as introducing half steps ... you would simply have to multiply existing ratings by 2, which is no problem at all in an sql database.Smile
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Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

I agree completely with Ivan and Progrules: Let all existing ratings stand, but introduce 0.5 steps in between. Since all members can now edit their reviews (I just received a mail about that), it would enable me to rate some albums which I gave 5* to 4.5*, simply because I think they are a masterpiece, but I recognize that they are not necessarily also a masterpiece for the whole genre prog. Stated differently...I can then distinguish between what I think is great, and what I think is essential to all prog lovers. Now this choice is not available...
 
Indeed. And let's not forget: the 5 star system is a general reward system used all ove rthe world in all kinds of media and not even just for music, also for movies for instance. And at least half of those use the half star possibility. So it's not uncommon or not done.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

I think indeed Ivan's opinion be very good, but can M@X change the system easily?
I'm afraid it's so hard for him...and how should be the ratings previously posted? Hmm...
 
No need to change anything, because:
 
  1. Now everybody is able to change their reviews
  2. Those who don't want, won't see their ratings affected, because a 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1 star review, would be as valid after the change as before.

But we must forget about the 1 to 10 new system,. because in that case, the 5 stars rating would represent average, so lets stay with the 5 system but with EXTRA half points, in the worst scenario, an album awarded with 4.5 or 5 will still be a masterpiece and a 0.5 and a 1 star rating will also be very much close to say "better avoid it pal"

Iván

Exactly Ivan Embarrassed , thanks...but,
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

So Sean Trane could go through his 1000 plus reviews and amend those that he wrote were really x.5 ?LOL


Oo...so hard efforts. LOL
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I'll propose an alternative - Apples & Oranges. You get to choose the number of apples & oranges to make up a total of 5.
This should be readily seen as the best system as you can't compare apples & oranges . And not just to each other. Wink
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I see the proposal good but i am with Ivan this time




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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I'll propose an alternative - Apples & Oranges. You get to choose the number of apples & oranges to make up a total of 5.
This should be readily seen as the best system as you can't compare apples & oranges . And not just to each other. Wink
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I have no problem with the 5 point system as long as people obey the proper mathematical rules of rounding.  Alas, mine is apparently a lost cause. LOL

Unfortunately, before I came on the scene some of the higher ups were already guilty of misrounding so all hope is lost. Cry


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