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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Let me guess: Anthony has never heard a Univers Zero album.


Here's a better guess: Anthony has a Dream Theater album as his avatar and therefore wouldn't be able to properly enjoy such real music as UZ


Wow. The absurd snobiness of some you folks is staggering. I'll admit that I haven't listen to very many RIO bands, but I am a big fan of Zeuhl. I like all faces of prog and you're ridiculous for suggesting that DT isn't "real music."

Zappa is a personal hero of mine and is probably my all-time favorite musician.
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

If Zappa doesn't win this, my faith in the human race will be shaken. Ouch


 Absolutely. HOW can albums like "Weasels Ripped My Flesh", "The Grand Wazoo", "Overnight Sensation", "Apostrophe", and (my personal favorite) "One Size Fits All" be topped by a newcomer like UZ?

 Sorry. In cross-section of listeners who were weaned on the above albums by Zappa and the Mothers, it's gonna be FZ hands-down.
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Originally posted by beebs beebs wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

If Zappa doesn't win this, my faith in the human race will be shaken. Ouch


 Absolutely. HOW can albums like "Weasels Ripped My Flesh", "The Grand Wazoo", "Overnight Sensation", "Apostrophe", and (my personal favorite) "One Size Fits All" be topped by a newcomer like UZ?

 Sorry. In cross-section of listeners who were weaned on the above albums by Zappa and the Mothers, it's gonna be FZ hands-down.


Exactly. Even some of my favorite bands aren't better than FZ.
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Originally posted by beebs beebs wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

If Zappa doesn't win this, my faith in the human race will be shaken. Ouch


 Absolutely. HOW can albums like "Weasels Ripped My Flesh", "The Grand Wazoo", "Overnight Sensation", "Apostrophe", and (my personal favorite) "One Size Fits All" be topped by a newcomer like UZ?

 Sorry. In cross-section of listeners who were weaned on the above albums by Zappa and the Mothers, it's gonna be FZ hands-down.
Newcomer? Huh?
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Univers Zero (especially for the debut). 
Oh yes, the debut is a masterpiece.  Maybe the best RIO/Avant-Prog album I've ever heard.

I still prefer Ceux du dehors. Tongue


Ceux du Dehors is great too.  And UZ's latest rewmains my fave of this year (mind you, it's the only 2010 album I know, but it's great).  I like every UZ album, though some are better than others. I'd still vote for Art Zoyd over UZ though, given the chance.

And I'm guessing that Anthony is not a big chamber rock/ music appreciator.
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Another vote for UZ.
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by beebs beebs wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

If Zappa doesn't win this, my faith in the human race will be shaken. Ouch


 Absolutely. HOW can albums like "Weasels Ripped My Flesh", "The Grand Wazoo", "Overnight Sensation", "Apostrophe", and (my personal favorite) "One Size Fits All" be topped by a newcomer like UZ?

 Sorry. In cross-section of listeners who were weaned on the above albums by Zappa and the Mothers, it's gonna be FZ hands-down.


Exactly. Even some of my favorite bands aren't better than FZ.


Out of curiosity, though, and I like and have all of those Frank Zappa albums but still voted UZ, which UZ albums do you have?
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Let me guess: Anthony has never heard a Univers Zero album.


Here's a better guess: Anthony has a Dream Theater album as his avatar and therefore wouldn't be able to properly enjoy such real music as UZ


Wow. The absurd snobiness of some you folks is staggering. I'll admit that I haven't listen to very many RIO bands, but I am a big fan of Zeuhl. I like all faces of prog and you're ridiculous for suggesting that DT isn't "real music."

Zappa is a personal hero of mine and is probably my all-time favorite musician.


I said it came out ruder than I intended Ouch

Originally posted by beebs beebs wrote:

  topped by a newcomer like UZ?




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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



Out of curiosity, though, and I like and have all of those Frank Zappa albums but still voted UZ, which UZ albums do you have?


Same here

The novelty of Zappa's silliness wears out


Edited by Triceratopsoil - August 08 2010 at 16:23
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While I have had limited exposure to either of these, from what I have heard, Univers Zero is better.

Uzed alone is wonderful.
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Originally posted by beebs beebs wrote:

be topped by a newcomer like UZ?
I wasn't trying to be rude but I don't think it matters because I think this just proved me right.

EDIT: About not hearing anything from Univers Zero I mean.


Edited by CinemaZebra - August 08 2010 at 16:22
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

If Zappa doesn't win this, my faith in the human race will be shaken. Ouch

You might be surprised, then, to realize how many people who tune in to these here Archives really don't like Zappa much at all. 

I'm never entirely sure why this is, but I'm also still surprised by how much ELP is loathed, on a prog site of all places!  Of course people are free to have their opinions . . . drone, drone, drone . . . but some people seem to hate the idea of Frank Zappa more than the actual music of Zappa.  The British musical press, for instance, has made a doctrine of the idea that Zappa produced only one good album (Hot Rats) and the rest is just childish noodling filled with knob jokes.  Even the good papers still drool that drivel (Mojo? C'mon you should know better than that!).

Was Zappa consistent, no, but the volume of quality material shines forth.  I don't want to go with the quantity argument, but UZ has, what, eight fantastic albums compared with how many true works of genius by Zappa.  So, quantity plus quality.

Please don't get me wrong, I dearly love UZ and I want them to do well, but, at the end of the day for me, Zappa is a giant of music.  Hell, if Pierre Boulez and John Adams can agree on this, who am I to disagree?  
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Zebra that wasn't Anthony though, that was beebs
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Zebra that wasn't Anthony though, that was beebs
True, but Anthony quoted Beebs and said "exactly". That's good enough for me.
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I will add that Clivages is my album of the year so far.  
But it's still FZ over UZ.
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The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough.

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Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Zebra that wasn't Anthony though, that was beebs
True, but Anthony quoted Beebs and said "exactly". That's good enough for me.


ah missed that bit.  Cheerio
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Let me guess: Anthony has never heard a Univers Zero album.


Here's a better guess: Anthony has a Dream Theater album as his avatar and therefore wouldn't be able to properly enjoy such real music as UZ


Wow. The absurd snobiness of some you folks is staggering. I'll admit that I haven't listen to very many RIO bands, but I am a big fan of Zeuhl. I like all faces of prog and you're ridiculous for suggesting that DT isn't "real music."

Zappa is a personal hero of mine and is probably my all-time favorite musician.


Yea, that was rude guys. Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Evolutionary Sleeper Evolutionary Sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Let me guess: Anthony has never heard a Univers Zero album.


Here's a better guess: Anthony has a Dream Theater album as his avatar and therefore wouldn't be able to properly enjoy such real music as UZ


Wow. The absurd snobiness of some you folks is staggering. I'll admit that I haven't listen to very many RIO bands, but I am a big fan of Zeuhl. I like all faces of prog and you're ridiculous for suggesting that DT isn't "real music."

Zappa is a personal hero of mine and is probably my all-time favorite musician.


Yea, that was rude guys. Thumbs Down
It's one thing to be rude, it's another to vote without hearing both bands. Rudeness > Fanboyism
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:



Zappa is a personal hero of mine and is probably my all-time favorite musician.


Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:



Exactly. Even some of my favorite bands aren't better than FZ.


Something doesn't add up here
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