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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:01 |
These are like the only ones I listened to, but they are great.
Pain of Salvation's 12:5...best live album.
Dream Theater - Live at Budokan and Scenes from New York...what a preformance
Zappa in New York...I think that's what it was called.
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:42 |
febus wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I have nothing against studio records; however, my preferred albums are live albums. sadly many so-called "live albums" are not live albums at all; an example is "Yessongs". only the drum tracks are the original live; the rest have been tampered with (source: Tibor Kneif, Sachlexikon der Rockmusik) |
You say!!!!!! YESSONGS is not a live album AT ALL!
C'MON !!!   When was the last time you listened to it?
Whatever overdubs they may have add, you cannot be taken seriously with affirmation like that!
THAT'S LIVE!! IT PLAYS LIVE !! IT SOUNDS LIVE!! IT SMELLS LIVE!!! 
Don't read the book of some guy who thinks it's all fake, just listen to it and ..ENJOY it!! 
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"Yessongs" is an album that was overdubbed in the studio. so was Curved Air's Live album too, by the way. and those are just two examples. it is not I who says this; I cited my source. and Tibor Kneif is a man who knows what he is talking about. It is common practice for many bands to overdub certain live mistakes, but the question is justified how" live" such an overdubbed album really is. if you don't believe that Yes would ever do that, do a Google search
Edited by BaldJean - August 17 2007 at 18:43
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febus
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 18:59 |
Sadly I don't think the pace of my life allows me so much free time to do google search about a rock ''historian'' theory on yessongs being overdubbed. there was and is some or a lot of overdubbing in some live recordings.
But i know you cannot say:: this is not al ive album AT ALL!!!!.....this is extreme!!!!! 
Anyway, i am going to listen to it now!!.......and try to  enjoy it!!
No offense 
Edited by febus - August 18 2007 at 07:05
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mattmacneil
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 19:14 |
GEnesis - Live ELP - Welcome Back My Friends Amon duul II - Live in London Gentle Giant - Playing the Fool
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 19:24 |
febus wrote:
Sadly I don't think the pace of my life allows so much free time to do google search about a rock ''historian'' theory about yessongs being overdubbed. there was and is some or a lot of overdubbing in some live recordings.
But i know you cannot say:: this is not al ive album AT ALL!!!!.....this is extreme!!!!! 
Anyway, i am going to listen to it now!!.......and try to  enjoy it!!
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just to make it clear to you: the theory is NOT that "Yessongs" was recorded in the studio. but the tapes have been tampered with; little mistakes were "corrected" with overdubs. I did not say it is not a live album at all, I just question the practice of overdubbing on live albums. and this is by no means just a theory, overdubbing is common practice for live albums. on "Yesshows" the overdubbing is quite obvious, by the way; it is an open secret that album was overdubbed. with "Yessongs" this is less known. a live album without overdubbing is "Real Time" by Van der Graaf Generator; it is explicitly stated in the liner notes that there were no overdubs at all. and Peter Hammill is very serious about things like that. also I can attest to it, since I was at that concert, and a fantastic concert it was, though by no means a perfect gig. but I don't go to a concert with the expectation of a "perfect gig". musicians are human beings, after all, so they are prone to make mistakes. Yes are by far not the only ones who do it. it is not that I want to point a finger to them, I just wanted to point out that what is sold as "live" album often is not the real McCoy. of course hitting a wrong note is a bit embarrassing; however, if a live album is meant to be a document of a concert it feels a bit like cheating
Edited by BaldJean - August 17 2007 at 19:30
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Dean
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 19:26 |
I really don't mind if a few fluffs and bum notes were corrected later in the studio, and if (with the technology available at the time) that meant over-dubs then fine - I can live with that. A lot of the 'live' albums people have selected in this thread were not single-show recordings, but were pieced together from various shows on a tour - do these also count as not being really live?
If the producer goes overboard with overdubbing and leaves nothing of the original recording then it probably should not be called a live album, but since live albums are generally purchased by trufans I cannot see any of them complaining  .
There are a number of unofficial recordings of the Yes 1972 CTTE tour - it would be interesting to compare them with the official release ust to see how much difference there really is.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 19:57 |
IMO the masters of live albums are definitely King Crimson with their fantastic improvs and performance quality. Any of their live discs is worthy enough to give a listen, including bootlegs.....
Specifically speaking, another good ones are Camel - A Live Record, Jethro Tull - Bursting Out, Frank Zappa - Broadway the Hardway / Make a Jazz Noise Here / Best Band you've Ever Heard in your Life / Roxy & Elsewhere.......... Among many others.
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The best you can is good enough...
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Hyperborea
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:25 |
In the main....nearly all prog bands were set up for live performances...most hated the studio setting. How come so many have live albums? It is the pinnacle of any band to perform live on stage, and release an albums worth of material....for me studio albums are a waste......gimme live anytime...raw and real talent will shine through.
Welcome back
Pictures
Encore
Ricochet
Poland
Royal Albert Hall
Space Ritual
Works Live
Live Tapes
Pulse
That's about all i can think off at this late time.
Edited by Hyperborea - August 20 2007 at 19:29
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Zargus
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:31 |
Well after looking trough my CD collection this is what i came up with and dont get mad caus its far from 100% prog, and im probobly missing out some great stuff and there is lots of great live albums i still need to get..
1. The Who - Live at Leeds
2. Motörhead - No sleep til Hammersmith
3. Hawkwind - Space ritual
4. Tangerine Dream - Ricochet
5. Soft Machine - Grides
6. ELP - Welcome back my friends........
7. Rick Wakeman - Journey to the centre of the earth
8. Yes - Yessongs
9. Genesis - Seconds out
10. Neil Young - Rust never sleeps
Edited by Zargus - December 23 2007 at 09:46
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sircosick
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:33 |
^^ About that good point, I consider this: Studio albums = proves composition's quality. Live albums = proves musicianship's skills and sometimes creativity. I love both release incarnations, though
Edited by sircosick - August 17 2007 at 21:33
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The best you can is good enough...
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micky
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:42 |
Zargus wrote:
Well after looking trough my CD collection this is what i came up with and dont get mad caus its far from 100% prog, and im probobly missing out some great stuff and there is lots of great live albums i still need to get..
1. The Who - Live at Leeds
2. Neil Young - Rust never sleeps
3. The Clash - From here to eternity
4. Tangerine Dream - Ricochet
5. Soft Machine - Grides
6. ELP - Welcome back my friends........
7. Rick Wakeman - Journey to the centre of the earth
8. Yes - Yessongs
9. Genesis - Seconds out
10. Miles Davis - At Fillmore: Live at fillmore east
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since it is not on there...I assume you don't have it. Get the only album (other than the James Brown album. 'Live at the Apollo') that may rank in the same class as Live at Leads in the ranks of greatest live albums ever.  buy it... and you'll thank me hahahha.
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memowakeman
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 00:17 |
In no order and these are the ones i remember now and listen often:
1. Peter Gabriel - Secret World ( i fell in love with this album ,video and Peter Gabriel after this stunning performance)
2. DFA - Work in Progress (the last live album i discovered and amazed me, superb concert!)
3. Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine (probaly this is my favorite, PTs space era and my favorite songs are played here, i own the 2 CD album which is even better than the single)
4. Pink Floyd - PULSE ( well without Waters but it would be a dream to see these songs together live)
5. Anekdoten - Waking the Dead ( one of my favorite bands, magnific songs and better performances)
6. Tangerine Dream - Ricochet ( 2 songs, but it is an old love, the first TD album that caught my whole attention, simply great)
7. Camel - A Live Record ( excelent first album with great songs choices, and the second album with The Snow Goose provokes goosebumps on me)
8. Renaissance - Live at the Carnegie Hall ( Superb album with Annie in vocals, Ashes are burning is a masterpiece here)
9. Magma - Live Hhai (weird, but it makes me addicted)
10. Rush - Exit...Stage Left (i didnt like Rush until i listen to these album, and mostly because of YYZ, Jacobs Ladder and Xanadu`s performances)
11. Shakti with John Mclaughlin -s/t ( all is bliss, all is bliss)
well there are 11, but who cares...
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markosherrera
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 00:29 |
Other is Jean Luc Ponty Live
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 13:49 |
Prog releases, in no particular reason:
Gong - Live Etc.
Steve Hillage - Live Herald
Focus - At the Rainbow
Traffic - Welcome to the Canteen
Yes - Yesshows (I always have liked it best than Yessongs)
Genesis - Seconds Out
Kansas - Two for the Show
Rush - Exit Stage Left
King Crimson - The Great Deceiver
Van Der Graaf - Vital
Non-prog
The Who - Live at Leeds
The Rolling Stones - Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out
Wishbone Ash - Live Dates
Neil Young - Live at Massey Hall 1971
The Band - Rock of Ages
Bob Dylan - Live 1966
Slade - Alive!
Deep Purple - Made in Japan
The Allman Brothers Band - At Fillmore East
Grateful Dead - Live/Dead
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PETER HAMMILL
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Rocktopus
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:19 |
I've been getting more interested in live album lately, but I'm generally uninterested in livealbums with just solid versions of albumtracks. My favorites of the few I got.
Magma: Live/Hhai Can: BBC Sessions Miles Davis: Dark Magus Magma: Live 74 Loundres One Shot: Vendredi 13 Damonji: Improg Area: Are(A)zione Pure f**king Space: Live at Centerspace Tangerine Dream: Ricochet Eric Dolphy. Last Date
Love everything live from the 70's Ive heard by Magma & Can.
(still haven't bought any Gong live, but will)
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:26 |
micky wrote:
Zargus wrote:
Well after looking trough my CD collection this is what i came up with and dont get mad caus its far from 100% prog, and im probobly missing out some great stuff and there is lots of great live albums i still need to get..
1. The Who - Live at Leeds
2. Neil Young - Rust never sleeps
3. The Clash - From here to eternity
4. Tangerine Dream - Ricochet
5. Soft Machine - Grides
6. ELP - Welcome back my friends........
7. Rick Wakeman - Journey to the centre of the earth
8. Yes - Yessongs
9. Genesis - Seconds out
10. Miles Davis - At Fillmore: Live at fillmore east
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since it is not on there...I assume you don't have it. Get the only album (other than the James Brown album. 'Live at the Apollo') that may rank in the same class as Live at Leads in the ranks of greatest live albums ever.

buy it... and you'll thank me hahahha.
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Agreed. Get the deluxe edition (full concert). Masterful blues jamming
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Raff
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:38 |
I followed his advice, and got it... I won't say it's become my favourite too, but it's undoubtedly a masterpiece of rock. As to my own personal Top 10 of live albums, this time I'll have to mention some of my favourites in no particular order... Too lazy to try to draw up a real list tonight!  - USA, "The Night Watch" and "Absent Lovers" - KC (I intend to get "The Great Deceiver" ASAP) - "Welcome Back My Friends..." - ELP - "Live at Pompeii" - Pink Floyd - "Exit.... Stage Left" and "Different Stages" - Rush - "Made in Japan" - Deep Purple - "On Stage" - Rainbow - "The Song Remains the Same" - Led Zeppelin - "Live at Carnegie Hall" - Renaissance - "On Your Feet or on Your Knees" and "ET Live" - Blue Oyster Cult - "Bursting Out" - Jethro Tull
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:53 |
Get the Great Deceiver from Fripp's web site, DGM, Raff. It is WAY less expensive than the price on amazon, and it takes less time to get to you. Hang on, you started the KC fan central and you haven't even got their finest live hour? For shame madam
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micky
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 20:55 |
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febus
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 14:30 |
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