Most Prog: Who or Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple?
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Topic: Most Prog: Who or Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple?
Posted By: brainstormer
Subject: Most Prog: Who or Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple?
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 11:59
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Here are three major bands that many consider on the fringe of being called prog bands. Some do call them prog bands. Which one would you say has the most progressive rock elements? ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 12:04
| Deep Purple, but none of them are responsable for the 70 prog movement |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:26
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Between Deep Purple or The Who, went with the prior. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:35
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I think Led Zeppelin. Despite the heavy blues early start, Houses of the Holy, Physical Graffiti and Presence really expand the barriers of most rock groups. To me the proggiest the Who got was that one great Arp synth intro to Baba O'Reilly. The rest was pretty straight rock writing. Deep Purple had so much rock influence as well as the rock lifestyle mentality that it's hard to see past it, even though Zeppelin was also like that. I realize Jon Lord was awesome, but to me it was more in solo. I just haven't explored Deep Purple that much looking for the gold. Page also did some interesting things with that violin bow. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:42
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The arrangements of Quad and Tommy were groundbreaking, not sure how the keyboard intro can be said to be their most prog point? Also the instrumental (including vocal) prowess of DP surpassed Led Zeppelin imo. I think you may need to actually listen to DP to hear real "expansion" of rock barriers. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:46
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"Book of Talysein" is protoprog, so obviously....
Stupid thread really.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:47
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You're quite blunt. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 13:55
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lol
This is difficult because none of them are really that prog/progressive. I guess I'd say The Who just because of Tommy and Quad (and really the other two are even bigger stretches in my mind). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 14:02
You may not have been here long me thinks. If you think this is a stupid thread. You might like to look at some of the historical / hysterical threads. We're pretty good at stupid polls round here.  ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Knobby wrote:Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 14:06
| You are not wearing this as a badge of honour I hope. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 14:13
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That's why the proud face. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 14:17
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No idea. ------------- |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 15:19
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None of them. None of them were prog, at all. It's called classic rock, dear chap. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 15:24
This, though I'd go with Hard Rock or Early Metal to describe Purple and Zep. I hate the term classic rock as it always makes me think of mainstream radio ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 15:25
I can live with that  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 15:32
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Classic Rock always reminds me of the compilation albums advertised on TV around the time of Fathers Day ...SSpeaking of which ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 15:48
Whether they're prog or not, they clearly influenced a ton of prog bands. Geddy Lee said that the the Who and Led Zeppelin (obviously) had a huge influence on Rush. In naming his 13 favorite albums of all time, he named "Who's Next" and Led Zeppelin's debut as his top 2. Fish of Marillion listed his favorite albums, and number one was The Who's "Quadrophenia," and also in his top 13 is Zep's "Physical Graffiti." [Geddy Lee's favorite albums: http://thequietus.com/articles/09210-rush-geddy-lee-interview-favourite-albums" rel="nofollow - http://thequietus.com/articles/09210-rush-geddy-lee-interview-favourite-albums ] [Fish: http://thequietus.com/articles/12274-fish-marillion-favourite-albums" rel="nofollow - http://thequietus.com/articles/12274-fish-marillion-favourite-albums ]
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 15:51
Indeed, all true, but influencing a prog band does not necessarily make a prog band. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 16:24
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Deep Purple were always considered prog in the early 70s; the other two never were. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 17:32
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Purple had the jazz and classical influence. Obviously it's them ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 19:32
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None of them really, but Deep Purple definitely has it's proggy moments. The other two are hard rock or classic rock as per Lazland. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 20:59
| think all three have their proggy moments but none of them are prog as per Wanorak's comment. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 21:22
I consider 60s purple very much prog of its time. Some fine stuff on their 2nd and 3rd albums eg. Chasing shadows, April, Blind, Shield, Listen learn, Exposition/We can work it out, Anthem
------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 23:28
| Deep Purple were the progiest of the three, but I don't consider either of them to be A prog band. |
Posted By: Terra Australis
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 23:34
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Deep purple had Prog moments. Improvisation, orchestra etc. ------------- Allomerus. Music with progressive intent. http://allomerus.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - http://allomerus.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 01:27
------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 02:31
| Taken as whole output perhaps DP, but Quadrophenia is the proggiest album any of those three bands released, so my vote went to The Who. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 02:41
| The Who had the compositional thing in parts of Quadrophenia, and to a lesser degree Tommy (then there is stuff like "A Quick One"). Zep and Purple expand their songs through blueswailing or repeating riffs more often than through actual composition. The Who might sound superficially more basic than Purple, but there are more changes in their proggiest music. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 11:18
That about sums it up.........  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 15:49
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I went with The Who, which really surprised me, but after thinking about it I chose them for two achievements. First, "A Quick One, While He's Away" recorded in 1966 was something new...a 9+ minute song made up of several shorter songs linked together. This kind of structure (though greatly expanded and much more cleverly done) became a common thread in the epic prog classics like Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, The Lamb, The Wall, etc. Second, "Quadrophenia". I never liked "Tommy" and always thought it was too repetitive and not thematically related well enough, Quadrophenia on the other hand does a great job of introducing 4 themes/personalities then intertwining them into a story. To me, it's The Who's finest hour and is kind of a straight ahead rock band taking on a "Lamb Lies Down" kind of project. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: charles_ryder
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 05:05
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Of course, none of them is not the prog-band in strictly sens. But I guess Zeppelin had many progressive elements. “Kashmire” IMO is clearly prog composition. Although the Purple albums contains proto-prog, my vote went to Zeppelinas more virtuosic and inventing band.
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Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 05:28
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DP ------------- "Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 05:40
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Deep Purple of course, because they really were a proto-prog band. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 06:19
Her Majesty Quadrophenia although the great concept Rock album with a lot of synths, orchestral moments and so on, - that we can to categorize Quad here as "crossover prog" or "prog related" album and that will not be a big scandal after all - it contains actually (in my humble opinion, of course) just three tracks of the whole album that are 100% progressive rock tracks: title track, The Rock and Doctor Jimmy. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 08:43
I read an old interview in Melody Maker and Jimmy Page said he'd like to do some arty complex music like Yes (this was after Tales was released) ---their next album was Physical Graffitti---so I think Jimmy was open to prog and maybe that's how XYZ happened for a moment a few years later.
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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 09:25
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all three are great bands. purple are more prog. than zeppelin/who
my personnel top top of these three is ZEPPELIN   ZEPPELIN..............------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 21:36
I read in the booklet of one of their albums, which I started getting last year, they expressed themselves as a prog (or porgressive or whatever) band. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 21:55
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I haven't heard much DP but I can definitely tell they're pretty proggy.
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 17 2014 at 21:57
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None of these bands were progressive, but as many have pointed out they had their moments where they were right on the fringe. I mean Zeppelin's Stairway To Heaven is pretty progressive to my ears. Not in the incorporating a diverse range of genres, but in the natural progression of the piece itself. Also, Achilles Last Stand sounded rather progressive to me. What do you guys think?
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 18:20
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 22:00
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The Who because of Quadrophenia.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 01:58
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First "classic rock" is a format for mainstream radio to sell memories. It is noot a genre or seven a sub genre like prog rock and it's myriad of sub-genres. Classic rock includes Dylan, The Police, Black Sabbath and the Beatles. All of whom clearly sound like the play in the same genre, no? Features of progressive rock in Purple are quite high. The first 3 albums range from out of place sophistication and psychedelia. Eben that lasted a bit into when Gillan And Glover got on board. In fact hard rock was part of the Purple ouvere not the entirety. The Concerto and Gemini Suite put Purple ithe prog lot easily as well as all the outside adventures. They also fit intoo the "classic rock: format. The Who were, from The Who Sell Out, a psych-proto-prog band with a great (and fun) concept album, rock power and sophistcations (as wella s very rare exquisite melodies) that leave just about every other '67 release hoping for a classic rock lifeline (Pepper, Days of Futura). Never a symphonic prog band but getting close the Who were always a full on rock act. The Who did deliver multi media projects - as did Floyd who also had this idea from their beginnings. Zeppelin melded other forms of music and stopped people from pigeon-holing them as this or that. Something that may irk the sub genre mindedness of PA denizens. Not actual albums but I always thought of JPJ as the Zeppelin prog guy (in terms of arrangements and orchestrations). In Through The Out Door was probably closest. They usually closed an album with a blues and I'm Gonna Crawl is quite an achievement, a synthesizer orchestrated blues that does not have me going ... sentimental drek (like I do with most blues or jazz that has these features - even Charlie Parker and Albert King...) Honourable mention to Uriah Heep with Ken Hensley and especially the Salisbury work... I suppose a way to check this prog related "validity" is to find your "proggiest" bands and see what they do outside of the murky sideline world that is prog rock. Oops, that means redefining what they do (Yes, Asia, Neo prog et al). Unless you are Alan Parsons and can do anything... |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 02:29
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Overall, Purple. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |