Sabbath vs Zeppelin (REAL)
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Topic: Sabbath vs Zeppelin (REAL)
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Subject: Sabbath vs Zeppelin (REAL)
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 19:38
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I was having a rather heated discussion with one of my friends in which
it was said, with hearty use of caps lock and exclamation point, that
jimmy page was garbage, the same with zeppelin. i then found myself
defending one of the bands closest to my heart with zealous and
righteous rage. he later changed his opinions to a less harsh view of
the Zep but continued to voice the supremacy of Black sabbath and tony
iommi. he also said that zeppelin is one of the all time greats but
page was definatley not one of the best guitarists, and that Iommi was
better, "The Godfather" i believe he called him. Opinions? Zeppelin or
Sabbath? Iommi or Page? more influential? Please elaborate too i
would like to hear more than just the fan boy yelling we were doing.
Oh and this is strictly out of the field of prog, has absolutley
nothing to do with how progressive each band is, although if you
value that then let it show in who you vote for. thanks! Mike ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 19:45
| Zeppelin is one of my all time favorites...and favorite classic rock band. I love Jimmy Page but he is not very good live and recieves a lot of critiscism for it. I think it was all drugs anyway. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 19:48
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as a session/studio man before Zeppelin, Page was highly regarded and seen as technically advanced (not unlike Jeff Beck) and in their time, the first two Zep records had a high-tech quality unheard in rock at that point, not even from Hendrix. As time went on, Page's skills suffered a bit and others sailed past him, including Iommi. Who was more influential? Very hard to say.. |
Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:00
Sorry, I'm a Sabbath fan. Iommi has inspired COUNTLESS heavy metal guitarists. Page is a good guitarist as well however. (But he used a....VIOLIN BOW???  I mean, I admire him for thinking up something weird like that...but you just don't play guitars with bows.  ) Led Zeppelin has a couple of good songs, but I believe that Robert Plant's stage presence is appalling. And when I saw "The Song Remains the Same", and they performed that....I could tell that it lived up to its name. Then again, they were all stoned to Oz. But so was Sabbath. However, Black Sabbath could maintain an actual song, melody, etc. etc. etc. Whereas with Led Zeppelin, sometimes it felt like they were improvisations. And the meaning of Black Sabbath's lyrics are easy to figure out, sometimes they're just plain right there in your face.That's all my opinion, though. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:19
| Both bands and guitarists are great for their own reasons. Neither is "better" than the other. Pagey's talent's in the studio were exceptional though. |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:26
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sorry i dont like reposting in my own topic because my opinions already been voiced, but I couldnt help myself. "Zeppelin has a couple good songs"? Taste come into play but just listening to the radio on a zeppelin vs. sabbath base zeppelin clearly is the more played band. They without a doubt had more than a couple good songs, i dont think that can even be argued as a point. im not saying that radio play = good music, that doesnt work as an argument either particularly on a site such as this. But the variety of songs played, the countless singles and classics that emerged from this band nullify your statement. Hell the an entire CD of theirs gets played frequently (IV), every single song. I also dislike the idea of live performances influencing this poll, although the whole package of "musician" entails live shows and performing well. But A band can put on a great show and still put out some sub-par music. in fact i enjoy going to these shows at times (some heavy metal acts are fun but worthless in terms of musical ability). but some of the most talented and influential/groundbreaking bands i would be less than excited to see live, bands like GY!BE for example. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: P.H.P.
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:15
Black Sabbath for me!  |
Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:35
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Not a HUGE fan of either, but I like Zeppelin
------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: puma
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:35
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Influence wise they're probably the 2 bands with the most wannabe clones (aside from the Beatles). Black Sabbath basically CREATED heavy metal, with every single metal band being familiar of Black Sabbath's influence. Led Zeppelin had this extra kick to them that no other band at the time had. Comparing songs like Paranoid with songs like Rock and Roll, there's definitely a similarity. But how many songs does Sabbath have that match the intensity of, say, Kashmir? How many "Four Sticks" songs do Sabbath have? BS's songs were definitely awesome, but for me, Zeppelin is the more versatile band. Now to tackle the bigger issue of the guitarists and masterminds behind both bands. Jimmy Page's talents as a studio guitar player are unmatched. He knew how to place amps exactly to achieve a certain sound, was a master of resonation and reverb, and that's not even considering his playing style. He fused blues with a folky style that no other guitarist had at the time, and his songs (and the solos he put in them) were incredible. Look at "Fool in the Rain" and "Hot Dog", and those are from their last album! Tony Iommi definitely has his credentials. Not only was he the first guy to really downtune and get that insane low metal sound, but as Dave Mustaine put it, every single riff you hear in metal nowadays was something written by Iommi that was played faster, slower, more transposed, backwards, upside down, or with minute differences. He is, if you will, the god of the riff. The music is so different between the 2 bands it's hard to say who is better. Zeppelin's songs were more melodic and had more development, but Sabbath's songs were the first truly riff-based songs which inspired a musical form that is still in huge swing today. I'm going to vote for Jimmy Page, however, because Zeppelin's few riff-based songs rank up there with the best of Sabbath's, but Zeppelin had more range and versatility. But damn, is it a close win. 2 of my favorite bands right here; I wouldn't have been able to even make this marathon post if I wasn't such a fan of both bands. |
Posted By: proglil49
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:53
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Zeppelin and Page for me ------------- I want to be an astronaut |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 22:29
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Apples and/but oranges ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 23:20
Sabbath had cooler sounding music 
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 00:36
| I've only really got into Sabbath recently, I'm amazed how creative they were, really diverse fascinating music. Led Zep are great. I think they're both just as good in their own way. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 00:57
| Zeppelin is probably the better band, but Page and Plant seemed like such jerks back then, especially Plant. I think Sabbath's riffs stick with you longer and they had that swing feel that rock bands used to have long ago. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 01:55
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Seriously?????
Every band member in Led Zeppelin blows away their counterparts in Black Sabbath on their respective instruments. -------------  |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 02:28
| As Tapfret said, another apples/oranges question. Jody is right to say that there is no comparison between the two bands in technical terms - however, great music, as we all know, isn't only about technical proficiency. They are both among the greatest of the great, and the most influential bands ever. Same goes for Deep Purple, who are often brought into the equation. I love them both (or I should say the three of them, including DP), and never ask myself which one is 'best'. In my very humble opinion, there is really no answer. |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 02:28
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First of all your friend is ignorant. BS and LZ, Iommi and Page both RULE respectfully. ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 02:29
Well, I play all of the respective instrumentsbetter than Black sabbath. Certainly doesn't make my music better. Where Zep is concerned, I have also stolen less music from the front porches of Mississippi and Louisiana. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
TheProgtologist wrote:Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 02:36
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I enjoy Black Sabbath to a greater extent, even if they are "inferior" musicians compared to LZ. ------------- sig |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 02:39
Well,that's your opinion.Zep started out as a heavy,very blues influenced band,but the music they created later on in their career was on a whole other level than Sabbath's.
Just my opinion of course.I am a metal freak and love the Sabs,but Zeppelin is my favorite band ever and when comparing these two Zep trumps Sabbath in just about everything. ------------- |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 03:18
Sure, I have no problem with that. I was merely pointing out that the original criteria, while a key ingredient, rarely stands on its own. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 06:51
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I voted for Black Sabbath and Tony Iommi, love both bands and guitarist but if i have to shoose i shoose Sabbath heavyer and beter riffs imo. ------------- 
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 07:02
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I haven't voted, I don't think one band is better than the other, or that one guitarist is better than the other.
I will stick my neck out and say that Bill Ward was a better drummer than John Bonham. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 07:25
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I'm not voting either way. Chalk and cheese as far as I'm concerned.
Just let them bask in the glory of being two thirds of the British heavy rock "holy trilogy" of bands, with Deep Purple being the third! ------------- "Without prog, life would be a mistake." ...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 08:32
| Led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 23:59
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BLACK SABBATH better band, the Page guy better guitar ------------- 
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Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 01:40
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I've never heard Zeppelin on the radio. Sabbath I've heard, but not Zeppelin. And my opinion still stands that Zeppelin only has a couple of good songs, I'm afraid. (In particular I single out "No Quarter") |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 02:54
oooo that is a risk
for me Zeppelin have always remained a high standard,sabbath started great then ....Dio.You know the rest ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 03:00
a big one.. but I love Sabbath almost as much as Zep, so I won't say anything  |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 03:55
Zeppelin maintained their high standard by not releasing anything new for nearly 30 years! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 08:55
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Zep for me. Page may have been sloppy Live at times but what he is playing is more complex than anything Iommi has ever done. Love Iommi's style and sound though. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 08:56
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I'll go with Sabbath. You gotta admire a guy who can play rock 'n' roll guitar like that with two missing finger tips. ------------- This user has left the PA fora, but will occasionally post reviews so as to support artists. |
Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 12:08
...and then went home from work (where he had cut them off accidentally in a lathe) and superglued caps off washing-up liquid bottles to the fingertips as a replacement.
Tony Iommi used to live near me in the 70s. Drove a brown Range Rover. ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 16:10
I not only count Heaven and Hell as one of Sabbath's best albums,but one of the best metal albums ever. ------------- |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 16:13
I'll go even further than that... "Heaven and Hell" is one of my top 10 favourite albums of all time, period. |
Posted By: Snipergoat
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 17:08
| I prefer Led Zep as a band, but Iommi is one of my favourite guitarists. |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 17:53
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Lets compare albums.
1968-zep 1(pretty good)
zep wins
1969-zep 2(good, but very overrated and outdated)
zep wins
1970-Zep 3(very good), Black sabbath(good), Paranoid(very good)
sabbath wins :)
1971-Zep 4(good, but very commercial and overrated), Master of reality(very good)
sabbath wins ;)
1972-Vol. 4(pretty good)
sabbath wins ;)
1973-Houses of the holy(very good), Sabbath bloody sabbath(very good)
draw
1975-Physical graffiti(some strong songs, but alot of repetitive songs, fairly good), Sabotage(fairly good, but overrated)
draw
1976-Prescence(fairly good), Never say die(average)
zep wins
1978-Technical ecstasy(average)
sabbath wins
1979-In through the out door(good)
zep wins
1980-Coda(fairly good), Heavan and hell(very good)
sabbath wins
1981-Mob rules(very good)
sabbath wins ;)
To me Sabbath had cooler heavy music and a better vocalist , guitarist and bass player. Zeps had some very good heavy songs, but a few outdated sounding heavy songs too. They were just a bit Rock n roll and blues influenced and they get a bit dated and boring. But zeps had cool acoustic. But Plant had a pretty average voice imo and although Bonham was a better drummer, I much pretty jazzy style drumming than heavy hitting rock beats. I can barely listen to zep 2 and zep 4 today either.
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 18:05
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How about we actually compare bands with similar sound? Black Sabbath vs Pentagram/Saint Vitus/Witchfinder General would be a more appropriate comparison, from my point of view. ------------- sig |
Posted By: efoman
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 00:38
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I was in a rock band in the 80's and we did some Black Sabbath cover tunes because they were the easiest to play. My opinion was always this:
Led Zeppelin was the best hard rock group of their day.
Balck Sabbath was musically inferior but caught on because they had the gall to outwardly embrace the dark side, flirting with Satanic imagery and such.
I never thought Tony Iommi was any good at all. He wasn't as talented as alot of guitarists and he had no personality. I thought, and still think, that Ozzy Osbourne is just a flipping drugged out idiot who was lucky to find a niche. His singing sucks, his lyrics are juvenile. I think, rather than great innovators who spawned a genre, Black Sabbath was just a mediocre band full of dark depressive guys. The sound spun off the fact that they couldn't play their instruments any better. Does someone want to tell me that "Paranoid" shows good musicianship? I've heard middle school kids who could play better.
I'm sorry. I think Black Sabbath sucks, and am shocked that they get the credit they get. I saw where some of Zeppelin's stuff was considered outdated, whereas Sabbath's wasn't. I attribute that to the fact that the world is a darker and angrier place than it was in the early 70's, and the mood of the public has melded more with Sabbath's gloomy sound.
Aside from the music, I think someone deciding to name their band Black Sabbath, and fly in the face of religious morals is stupid, and the people who do it are stupid. If there is a God, and I believe there is, you're offending the one who has your eternal fate in His hands just to make a few extra bucks. If you don't believe in God, you're still taking that chance.
And I in no way am condoning Jimmy Page's infatuation with Aleister Crowley by choosing them over Sabbath. That was the beginning of the end for them, as people close to them began to fall like flies in very mysterious circumstances. That should be something of a lesson.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 07:41
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i do love them equally easily both my favourite bands but each indivual member from zeppelin are amazing muscians if you need some reassurance with page and plant check Page and Plant Unplugged.To be honest though i only love Ozzy era Sabbath though ,i dont think much of Ozzys vocals at all.I think the thing with comparing them .Zeppelin covered every music aspect where Sabbath were a hard rock group and the reason theres such a debate is musicaly Sabbath dont have much on Zeppelin but their music has remained consistent.
p.s and metal fans dont like anything that isnt metal ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 07:54
Too true, but Zeps non Blues-Rock stuff has always made them stand out for me. Songs like Kashmir, Achilles, Stairway, No Quarter, Ten years gone etc. etc., give them a depth that I don't think Sabbath quite matches (although I'm not that familiar with Dio era Sab).
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 08:01
It is your right to consider BS inferior to LZ, especially in a purely technical sense (which was quite true) - but please, you should try to get your facts right before you slam them from the point of view of content. Black Sabbath was the title of a movie (which wasn't about Satanism, if I remember well), but most important of all, the members of the band wrote the song of the same title to warn AGAINST the dangers of meddling with the dark side. Page, instead, more than dabbled with the occult, though I am not really sure that had anything to do with the tragedies that befell the band later on. As to not believing in God and flying in the face of religious morals, I wonder what should happen to those who cause the death of millions of people in order to make money...  |
Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 08:05
Read the lyrics to http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/AFTER-FOREVER-lyrics-Black-Sabbath/C8E0C3D248E1F137482568B70013E60C - "After Forever" . I'm pretty sure Sabbath weren't really Satanists, but I'm sure like Zep they dabbled.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 09:07
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Ozzy always said they were Hippies and never understood why people thought there were satanists thats why they wore crosses ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: efoman
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:05
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"Geezer Butler wrote the song Black Sabbath after he was given an occult book in Latin and Butler had a vision of a black hooded figure standing at the foot of his bed and told Osbourne about the vision. (from VH1 Black Sabbath Documentary)".
Here is a quote I found in Wikipedia referring to our overrated friends. i thought I remembered hearing somewhere that geezer Butler claimed this spirit vision he saw also basically dictated how some of the songs on the first album should go. But that's not something I can verify. But all in all I think the influence of Black Sabbath has made the world a worse place. All the hatred and darkness pumping through the veins of the metal heads of the world comes indirectly from Sabbath's influence on the start of the genre. This is a genre dedicated to thumbing you rnose in the face of God and boldly stating that you don't give a crap.
And even if they are just hamming up the image cause the kiddies are lapping it up, unfortunately the kiddies are taking it seriously, and they are making their fortune on the broken souls of the mixed up kids of the world. If this is something you groove on then more power to you. But you better hope the intellectually indefensible arguments of the atheists are true--that you really are as useless and worthless as a twig floating in a cess pool, and you have a nice sweet abyss of nothingness to look forward to--otherwise there will be Hell to pay. And the last time I looked pain, suffering, and hopelessness were bad things.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:25
| Any God who would punish you for listening to the wrong music is just a bully. Are you a Christian ? You need to read your New Testament. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:34
Listen, you are entitled to your opinion, but not when you offend people who may have different opinions to yours. On these forums there are lots of atheists and agnostics, and they could very well take exception to your preaching - as any religious person would have the right to do if an atheist called him a deluded fool. This is a music forum, and artists should be judged on the basis of musical input only. By all means say that BS are the worst band in the world, but please, leave the preaching of fire and brimstone outside this board. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:35
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Ozzy's Suicide Solution is about as misunderstood as a song can be. It is a song about how he is slowly killing himself with his alcohol addiction. "Wine is fine, but whiskey's Quicker. Suicide is slow with liquor". I believe that to be the chorus. It in no way tells the kids to go out and commit suicide and yet everytime an Ozzy fan teenager commits suicide it is Ozzy's fault. Certainly not cheery lyrics, but there is actually a message warning about the perils of alcohol. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:39
errrrr.... Amen sister..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:51
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P.S. I am by the way in no means implying that Ozzy should be included as a solo artist nor that Suicide Solution is a prog rock song.
I do find it hard how difficult it is for people to separate the individual performers from their stage acts. Obviously it is easier for some to realize that Noah Wyle is really not a doctor and probably could not perform any of the procedures that he performed as a doctor on ER. At the very least I have heard Ozzy comment that he isn't the same person as his stage persona. The same goes with a guy like Alice Cooper (again, not prog). I am guessing that he has never actually participated in a decapitation involving non-dolls. However, I think the jury might still be out on Marilyn Manson.  And of course Peter Gabriel and some of those early Genesis lyrics.-------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 13:03
*yawn* ... Both bands are obviously great - both record sales and musicians naming these artists as big influences prove that. Which one you prefer depends on your personal taste more than anything else. Led Zeppelin for me btw ... when it comes to Iommi vs. Page I choose Page too.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 15:17
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Both are good bands, I would rate Iommi over Page though.
Sabbath have the better bassist and guitarist, while Zep have the better drummer and vocalist
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 17:07
Religion and music should never be considered to be two closely connected aspects. Here's one fact from my life (in third person), observed from two different perspectives:
One of the happiest days in a life of a Prog nerd was when he met the musicians from the band Emperor.
One of the happiest days in a life of an orthodox Christian was when he shook hands with a satanist, a church arsonist and a homophobic murderer, in that order.
The second sentence takes a look at the situation from the religious perspective, the first simply explains why the day was so special. Now, which one makes more sense? ------------- sig |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 17:24
it's OK, imply away, nothing wrong with that.. I would never support Ozzy for inclusion in PA, but frankly Diary of a Madman is a fantastic progressive rock album which impresses me more each time I hear it.. and I've been listening to it for 25 years |
Posted By: efoman
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 19:01
In my defense:
I don't cry about it when people tell me they don't believe in God. Why should an atheist be insulted by me saying I do, and that I believe atheism is intellectually indefensible? Do you tell the atheists to stay out of their opinions? I've noticed they are very proud to declare it on this site, so they must feel plenty of freedom regarding their beliefs.
Second, I preached no fire and brimstone, so I don't know what you're referring to. I just attempt to talk common sense. If you flood your senses with negativity and darkness, nothing good can come from it--and be you Atheist or Christian, Agnostic or Muslim, you don't need to spend your one short life on this Earth bathed in negative vibes.
As for the prog lover, Orthodox Christian dilemma--please try to see the reasoning of this before you dismiss it--if a person is that happy to shake a person like that's hand (I don't know who he is referring to) I would submit that music takes priority in your life over religion. Not a judgment, but IMO, a sound observation.
But in Sabbath's defense, they are child's play compared to the negativity that was unleashed by subsequent bands. And I have to disagree with the notion that music should be divorced from the image, statements, persona, and lyrical projections of the artists involved. I always considered those things very very important. And apparently so did most people who liked Black Sabbath--because musically they suck.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 02:37
| OK I get it ... um ... got anything nice to say about anybody ? Something positive ... anybody at all. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 04:48
Utter Nonsense. First of all: Being a "metal head" does not mean that one has "hatred and darkness pumping through one's veins". Secondly: Black Sabbath are not a band who preach hatred and darkness. I'm not a fan btw. Thirdly: I'm not Christian, and I love listening to bands who deny Christianity ... listen to Celtic Frost - Monotheist if you want an example of this kind of music. But even listening to this music doesn't make me a bad person ... rather the reverse. I simply appreciate extreme views - in any direction as long as nobody gets hurt or crimes are promoted (which means that I for example won't listen to black metal bands whose members have been convicted of murder or arson). So: Am I a "metal head"? yes. Am I an atheist? yes. Am I a bad person dominated by hatred and darkness? no. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 13:52
You're off the point. You appreciate musicians for the art they create, as opposed to their beliefs, morals or religion.
Your post also contradicts what you just said, because the message conveys more negativity and hatred than the so-called "metalheads" who you are trying to depict in such an unpleasant way. ------------- sig |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 14:20
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^ I don't think you can completely separate the music from the artists. Apparently people differ in where they draw the line - for me it is racism, capital crimes and other things like that. For example I couldn't enjoy a piece of music when I knew that one of the artists was convicted of murder *and* his music is related to this behaviour.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 14:32
That's true for me too. I've never wanted to listen to any of those Norwegian bands, since I've read interviews with people like Varg Vikernes and the guy he killed, and their ideas are simply abhorrent to me, especially the whole matter of racism and white supremacy. Moreover, I am an art and history lover, and their wanton destruction of valuable Medieval buildings out of sheer fanaticism is something I just can't accept. However, BS weren't even close to anything of the sort... They were a bunch of young guys from a deprived area of Birmingham who couldn't have cared less about the downright scary stuff those Norwegian bands were propounding in the Nineties. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 19:53
Have you read the lyrics to their songs ? Let's go over a few quickly " Now in darkness, world stops turning Ashes where the bodies burning No more war pigs of the power Hand of God has struck the hour Day of Judgment, God is calling On their knees the war pigs crawling Begging mercy for their sins Satan, laughing, spreads his wings Oh Lord yeah!" Obviously anti-christian ! they dare mention the evil dude ! " The world today is such a wicked thing Fighting going on between the human race People give good wishes to all their friends While people just across the sea are counting the dead" Heartless b*****ds ! Self centered egotistical druggies ! " Now you know the scene, your skin starts turning green Your eyes no longer seeing life's reality Push the needle in, face death's sickly grin Holes are in your skin, caused by deadly pin" How dare they make fun of drug addiction ! " Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to love" Murderers ! Beasts ! hate-mongerers ! You're right. Sab are evil > Hanging's too good for them. Whew, facing up to reality is hard work. Especially when you have to learn that you had no idea as to what you were talking about , eh ... If you're looking for evil, rock music lyrics are not the place to start. Hitler had no foreknowledge of heavy metal; Stalin was never a satanist; many white supremacists are self professed christians; Vincent Price was never a motive for murder. The mind of man, though, is a much darker & cloudier place to search for the true root of what you see as a problem. Start there ... ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 12:13
That speach was epic! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 12:20
| Even if Zeppelin is/was fantastic, few bands can match what i feel for early Sabbath! |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 00:32
| After much self-debate I believe both to be equals. |
Posted By: Hat of Truth
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 04:17
| You could have mixed in Blackmore, much better guitarist. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 00:45
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Led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page Well...that was easy |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 18:50
Zeppelin is my favorite band ever (so far). Great to know here on PA are more Zep freaks.
 Logically, I choose Zeppelin over Sabbath any day. I enjoy early Sabbath to an extent, but there's no comparison to the gods of rock n' roll!
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Posted By: electricsilence
Date Posted: October 24 2007 at 20:50
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In my opinion, if you compare LZ's and BS's respective musicians individually, Black Sabbath takes a tremendous beat. Also Led Zeppelin was able to release good material consistenly all along their career, whereas Black Sabbath went through some tough spots releasing pretty sh*tty material, such as The Mob Rules or Technical Ecstasy. ZEPPELIN RULES. |
Posted By: FunnyWays
Date Posted: October 25 2007 at 16:48
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Led Zeppelin is very good in small amounts for me. Black Sabbath, never got into it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 27 2007 at 15:10
| Zep with Page. But Sab with Page could've been really interesting. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 09:09
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Even if some of their later works were shoddy, early sabbath was pure magic for me, so sabbath get my vote |
Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 21:12
| I prefer Sabbath. Zeppelin had alot of uncool sounding heavy songs which sound very dated. Sabbath were cooler :) |
Posted By: EclectricBlue
Date Posted: January 02 2008 at 22:21
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did anybody go the he LZ show in London? ------------- http://www.drumsoloartist.com/drumstore/Drum_Loops.php - Drum Loops http://www.drumsoloartist.com/drumstore/Used_Drums.php - Used Drums |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:30
| I really can't decide what band cause of guitarist is Page but the band don't know. Both are awsome but different at the same time. I will say Sabbath and Page but still Zep and Page don't go behind. |
Posted By: rudderhead
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:20
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Black Sabbath by far. Led Zeppelin may have invented heavy metal but Black Sabbath took it much further. Tony Iommi is much better than Jimmy Page. Just listen to the Warning JP cant top that. Tony Iommi also wins in the acoustic department just listen to Orchid, Laguna Sunrise, Fluff, way better than Jimmy Pages ramshackle approach on LZ3 I think Led Zeppelin are one of the most overated bands ever. I think almost every other hardrock band that made more than three albums is better (except for Kiss) Nevertheless still a good band just not as good as that. |