Most important KC member besides Fripp?
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Topic: Most important KC member besides Fripp?
Posted By: Kleynan
Subject: Most important KC member besides Fripp?
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 09:36
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I just put them all on the list, although I suspect, that no-one will vote for Andy McCulloch or Richard Palmer-James. I didn't put the guest musicians on the list: Keith Tippett, Jon Anderson etc.
My favorite has to be John Wetton, followed by Adrian Belew. Belew probably has a better connection with Fripp, but the Wetton-era is the ultimate KC era IMHO. ------------- 
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 10:03
Bruford for me! (actually he's the most important member of that group IMO  )
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Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 10:13
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Bill Bruford for me too
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 10:15
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Bruford -------------  |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 10:35
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Adrian Belew
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 10:50
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Dunno, exactly. Bruford or Mcdonald. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 10:52
| Adrian Belew on their later albums. |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 11:00
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Not an easy question. First of all, in which sense "the most important"? As a band founders, Michael Giles and Ian McDonald are the most important, without them the group would never raise. Musically, Mel Collins and Bill Bruford are the most important, they are, in my opinion, the most talented musicians from all the KC members.
Let's try to think by the rule of contraries, going from the opposite, posing the question: "Who's the person in KC, besides Fripp, which it is impossible to imagine the group without?" Without whom KC would never be KC? Who is impossible to be changed by anyone? Both the history of the group and the internal feelings say: Adrian Belew.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 11:06
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It depends on the period. In the beginning, Greg Lake was very important. Up to "Red" Bruford and Wetton were the focus. As the band is now, Adrian Belew would be the most important. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Grimm
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 11:45
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Bruf, of course! No, really, his playing style I think exactly fits what King Crimson is about. Disciplined recklessness, jazz played like rock, and improv excelence! ------------- Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be or seem to be self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 12:15
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Either McDonald, or for later work Belew. I'm a big Bruford fan and I know he's been an integral part of KC for large chunks of its history but, he doesn't have the creative talent of either of the above gents.
I vote McDonald as no-one else has yet!
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 12:20
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McDonald for me too ... his songwriting/mellotron/flute/sax-playing may only have graced one album, but Fripp spent quite some time trying to recreate the magic
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Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 13:11
i actually think Belew [or Baloo, as me and a friend sometimes call him  ], Levin and Bruford are all equally important in defining the Crimson spiritvoted for Levin as his contribution to the rename of KC is equally important in terms of rhythm section inovation [plus he's always underrated], but probably Bruford is most likely to get all the votes [and rightfully] |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 13:21
| No Michael & Peter Giles, no GG&F, no King Crimson. |
Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 13:27
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I went with Bruford, because he is the most amazing drummer I've ever heard and I think he contributed to the KC sound in a way nobody else could have. I do, however, agree that Giles& Giles were integral to the formation of the band in the first place. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: Schizoid Man
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 15:32
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BB. ------------- Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. |
Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 16:30
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bruford and belew in the same level ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 16:37
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Adrian Bellew. The logical construction of the lyrics, plus some very influential music values. Bruford knows how to drum, and certainly would be most difficult to replace (Masteloootoooo....), but without Adrian Bellew there would not be an actual clever King Crimson to listen to this days. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 16:56
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John Wetton is a fave, he did fantastic under Fripp's direction. On his own however, he wasn't that great unlike Bruford.
Mel Collins is the one for me, he is a most versatile and productive artist, he is my hero!
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 17:03
Love his work in Camel, though I have yet to hear all albums he did with them. Great musician! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
S Lang wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 17:08
| I'd say Belew, at least for post-1980 KC. Wetton and Bruford would come immediately afterwards. |
Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 17:13
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I'm a little surprised that Bruford is winning... -------------
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Posted By: Benjamin_Breeg
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 17:19
Mr. Bruford is a moth****ing musician 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 17:28
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Where's the Peter Sinfield love? After Fripp and Sinfield, Belew is the third most important member of the band. ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 18:48
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It depends on the period...but overall, I guess Bruford followed by Sinfield
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 19:16
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At this point, Belew has become just has important to the band as Fripp. He plays most of the solos, writes all the lyrics, helps write most of the music. Without Belew, there wouldn't be a KC. However, I can see some form of the band continuing without Fripp (though they may call themselves something else simply out of respect). ------------- 
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 19:17
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Either Bruford or Belew... I'm leaning towards Adrian more because he's been a lasting influence on Fripp for the past 25 years and has been integral in the creation of modern King Crimson music.
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 04:59
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strange that the real most important member (depending on the period, of course...) gets too litle mentions... IMHO without Sinfield there wouldn't be KC at all.
as for other periods, as much as I love Wetton's singing and bass playing, I don't think he should be as important as Bruford. Besides, he's the longest lasting member other than Fripp... wish he was still there (Mastelotto fills in his shoes very effectively, though...)
I'd go for Sinfield, 'cause his period was when KC was "the real" KC... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 05:19
I'd second that.
But let's face it since 80, Belew is the most important KC member (although hardly my fave)
Bruford is also a good runner-up. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:38
| For latter day Crimson obviously Adrian Belew. |
Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 10:28
| Adrian Belew |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 14:59
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And my vote goes to Jamie Muir. Although he was only in the band for a few months, both Fripp and Bruford have acknowledged the enormous influence he had on not just their playing but their whole appraoch to music, and it was after he joined that KC became a truly great improvising band. Without him post 1973 KC would have been a very different beast, if it had existed at all.
Otherwise Bruford or Belew, although I'm more inclined to pick Bruford because of his crucial role in the 73 - 75 line up, the 80s incarnation and the double trio. Listen to The Night Watch, Absent Lovers and Vroom Vroom for proof. Belew has obviously been essential to all KC line ups since the 80s, and has been Fripp's best musical sparring partner, but he's only been in 2 classic line ups as opposed to Bruford's presence in 3. Much as I like recent KC, especially TPTB, they've yet to equal the achievements of previous incarnations. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 15:19
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I vote for Belew. Apparently Fripp might think so too, he's the only KC member to have been around for so damn long!!! Love his work on TPTB and Thrak. His voice sometimes remind me of John Lennon. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 16:09
Have you heard the version of Free As A Bird on Vroom Vroom? The resemblance is uncanny. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 16:11
No I did not. I'll try to hear it though !
So I am not the only one who thinks there is a resemblance then ? ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 17:46
No, you aren't. If I'm not mistaken, in one of the inner booklets to either Discipline or Beat or Three of a Perfect Pair there's an article saying he's got a Lennon-esque manner of singing, spmething like that.
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 17:50
Belew, followed by Sinfield, followed closely by Bruford, followed by me (I am of course John Wetton  ).------------- 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 18:15
I agree with both of you. Hence why I voted for Sinfield and if I could voted for a second place I would've voted for Belew. Both had a mayor impact in their sound, lyrics and writting department. -------------
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Posted By: soundsweird
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 00:16
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Hmmm.... without Sinfield (who came up with the band's name), they would've been called....
Giles, Lake, Fripp & McDonald?
And that would've been the end of it......
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 01:31
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bruford
belew is great, and i like his playing on later KC albums, but honestly, they gotta get a new singer. it was smart of Belew not to sing much on TPTB, since he may realize his vocals are not what the band needs. i still say Jon Anderson was the best vocalist KC had (even though he was a guest and not cause im a YES-fanboy, which im not) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Toon
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 02:39
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I'd say Peter Sinfield because of all his work with the early King Crimson. ------------- 
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 30 2006 at 14:36
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Belew...
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Posted By: lucky_man123
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 20:46
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I'll be shot for this.... I'm a huge KC fan but I don't really like Fripp.
I think he held back the crazy sound they had during the LARKS era. He was more of a businessman than an emotional and interesting guitar player.
Bruford and Wetton are the most important members of the band in my opinion, and go very well together.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 20:48
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Peter Sinfield.
Easy Question.
He got them off the ground. His lyrics timeless, his influence profound and everlasting.
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Posted By: blindtoad
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 21:50
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Bill bruford gaves a sound to KC even id he wasn't in the first formation he is KC altought.. ------------- quelqu'un pour un jam? blindtoad = Poor english... |