The band with the best musicians
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Topic: The band with the best musicians
Posted By: mirco
Subject: The band with the best musicians
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:16
| Because i am newbie, i'm not sure if this poll have been done before. Forget the music or the trend: wich band has the best lineup? |
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:19
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Microbe- You've left out the kings! RUSH Geddy Lee Nuff said.End of contest! PS it is "vituosic"
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:20
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Wot? No Boyzone? ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:25
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Reed Lover wrote:Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:27
I think you'll find there's an 'r' in virtuosic, Reed. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:30
Sorry,didn't go to school. Worked 25 hours a day down't pit until I was 14. Then I had to work more.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 11:32
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Just a bit of fun, buddy Might be an idea to select a country from "your location" in the Profile Editor.
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 12:14
| Back to the poll. I think that, musician by musician, Yes (the Fragile Yes) has the best line-up, the best man in every instrument. Ok, maybe no the very best, but the aggregation of performers was the best, in my humble opinion. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 12:22
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I'd go for King Crimson circa Lark's Tongues In Aspic (off this list) - it's a shame that no good quality live recordings exist with Jamie Muir on percussion. All 5 musicians were remarkable players at the top of their form, and the interplay between them seemed telepathic. Outside of the list, I'd go for Magma circa MDK/Kontharkhosz. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 12:33
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I will repeat-man-for-man none of the above bands can better LEE-LIFESON-PEART for technical proficiency.
'cos my favourite band is better than your favourite band, and their dad's are bigger! -------------
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Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 12:42
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GENTLE GIANT Nuff Said |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 12:47
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 13:15
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Hard poll, lets see not counting miscelaneous instruments not common in all bands like flute, violin, etc.: Best Keyboardist: Rick Wakeman Yes (1) Best drummer: Bill Bruford - Yes (2) King Crimson (1) Best Guitar Player: Steve Hackett - Genesis (1) Best Vocalist: Peter Gabriel - Genesis (2) Best Bass Player: Tony Levin King Crimson (2) So IMO is a tie between Genesis, Yes and King Crimson. To untie I would chose the best lyricist and it goes for Peter Gabriel - Genesis (3) My vote goes for Genesis. Iván |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 13:46
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[QUOTE=Reed Lover 'cos my favourite band is better than your favourite band, and their dad's are bigger!
Oh yeah? - Well just imagine this - Red era King Crimson (Fripp, Wetton, Bruford) and Rush are in the same pub. If Geddy Lee spilled John Wetton's pint, Wetton would deck him ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
before he could get his hands out of his pockets, so there!Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 13:47
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Yes Obviously..... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 13:50
Yes, but which member of Rush is in court for assault this month? mind you-he did assault a police woman! -------------
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 13:59
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Respect to Mr. Lifeson! Rock and Roll is alive and well! ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 14:01
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Rush Cannot be considered, coz no key-wizzard leaves them a tad short, unless Reed is sugesting that Lee is better than wakeman on his oberheim ??? ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 14:15
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I tried to be dispassionate, and consider only in terms of ability. I nearly voted for (the original) Asia but discounted them because a) they're a band of prog musicians but play little prog, and b) because I don't think Goeff Downes is a virtuoso musician. I went for Yes on the basis that all the members over the year have been enormously talented in their own right. I don't think Genesis were of quite the same standard individually. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 14:38
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It would be interesting to "combine" this current poll, with this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=703& amp;PN=1&FID=3&PR=3 to determine what age levels line up with what particular group(s). Is it safe to say (OK, I know nothing is safe in an online forum... BUT), that the younger members (anyone born after 1980) prefer the more guitar-driven group(s) ? Personally: Gentle Giant (as far as English musicians is concerned) "I'm new here, so take it easy..." |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 14:51
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Great Idea, Utah_guy, I'd like to see all posts connected so you can get a general idea about where people come from (musicaly that is). unfortunatly this forum doesn't allow a more elaborate enquiry-format. It would be great to make one though.
Anywhoa, I voted for Yes. because Guitar 1. Steve Howe (progguitarist that is, Jimmy Page remains my Favourite, and allan holdsworth I now too little of) Drums 2. Bill Bruford (1 would be Neil Peart in my list) Keyboards 1. Rick Wakeman Bass. 1. Chriss Squire (together with Geddy Lee) Vocals 3. jon Anderson (1 is Fish, 2 is Peter Gabriel) I do''t know Saga PFM and UK good enough to consider them. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 14:51
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Nah,no one is better than The Caped Maestro. However, in true 3F8T's fashion, I ask again,name these artists who are better than Messrs Lee, Lifeson & Peart collectively or individually?
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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 16:30
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rush is my favorite band. Geddy is unreal bassist, neil in an unreal drummer, and alex is...ok guitarist. Alex is, in my opinion, along for the ride.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 16:43
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There are no stupid answers...only stupid people! Everyone is entitled to an opinion.............but some people abuse that freedom. Just shows you can listen to something without hearing!
Alex Lifeson is just along for the ride????????????????????????? This place gets more and more surreal every day!
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Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:08
first, i must say that my vote is for RUSH as to your comment on Lifeson, I don't think its that he's along for the ride so much in terms of riding on the skill of Lee and Peart, Lifeson is an outstanding guitarist in his own right and the band definitely wouldn't be the band it was/is without him... despite that, I do agree with you in the sense that he doesn't contribute to the band creatively speaking. I think he's just one of those guys who wants to bust out a mad solo... whether he had been playing in Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, or Rush... I mean, he stands out among his band members. While his band members write and read deep philosophy, peart in particular, he's getting arrested for assaulting a cop in florida while drunk. btw, i got geddy lee's solo album in the mail finally today... i'll make a post in the CD section later once i get through it. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:18
Thats an easy question.... These three guys outplay, outshow, outshine, and just plain more talented than any mentioned... (Now thats true 3fts style)
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:22
| I, for one, am totally amazed at your choice, 3F8s. ELP, huh? Wow! |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:23
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i always thought they looked really ugly in those pics from the BBS album
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:32
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Lifeson writes most of the music.............................doesn't contribute creatively????? Something seriously wrong amongst the Rush "fans" around here!!!!!!
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 18:12
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i am surprised dream theater arent on there. They are one of the best musically abled bands out there. Didn't they all go to a special musician college for years? Their music is so technical and advanced, the band can make dreamlike shredding solos, keyboard works, drum beats, 6 string bass lines and immense vocals look so easy, yet they are very complicated and difficult to play, making people drool at the sight of their godly talents. They can even keep it up for live sets that are around 3 hours long and all of their incredible studio albums, never running out of brilliant ideas, experimental work, concepts and best of all, a huge range of the most incredible, original and challenging musician work ever! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 18:27
Reed, I like Rush but nobody individually better? Collectively as band they are one of the tightest I have seen but individually I have seen many guitarists, Bassists, Vocalists and drummers/ percussionists I thought were a whole lot better Here is a listing: Guitar: Jeff Beck, Stevie Ray Vaughn, John McLaughin, Al Dimeloa, Alan Holdsworth Bass: Jaco Pastorious, Stanley Clarke, Tony Levin Vocals: Steve Walsh, Steve Perry, Drums: Buddy Rich, Louie Belson, Michael Walden, Billy Cobham Just to name a few.
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Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 18:28
really? i thought lee did...  ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 18:31
Do you like Return to Forever? I think that RTF is one of the most underappreciated bands EVER. They're amazing! I just think that a lot of the labeling keyed them off as the Chick Corea backup band and turned them off to a lot of people. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 18:39
Are you for real or just trying to yank my chain ? Lifeson writes most of the music in collaboration with Lee! How long did you say you's been a Rush fan? -------------
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 18:46
Many????????????????????? Vocals, obviously accept! Drums:Name Prog rock drummers betterr than Peart? If he had played for a more trendy band they would say he was the best rock drummer ever. You Garion, my son, are obviously taken of the fever,and you'd better lie down! Obviously got over-excited with that orange bowl thingy! Blah, blah, blah, blah............... Notice you had to mention the kansas dude! You sad man!
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 19:23
I know ain't I pathetic?
Steve Walsh is a great singer period. Not just for Kansas. If he could write better songs he would have made it on his own. You didn't say prog drummers as comparison you just said individualy better. As for trendy I know a lot of people who think Pert is the s*** of s*** who never heard of Carl Palmer or Bill Bruford etc. They only listen to rock/metal. He has way more fans than CP would lets say. I have seen both and I am impressed with CP in that he plays different styles of music. I know within Rush Pert does that too but not to the degree CP does. They are both great but after seeing Louie Belson and Billy Cobham at a drum clinic I was just devistated. Now maybe if I saw Pert in that forum I might feel the same way. -------------
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 19:24
Romantic Warrior is one of my favorite LP's of all time any genre. -------------
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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 19:30
| well i go for yes, because they do have some of the best in the genre. chris squire is one of the best base players ever. no doubt about it. STeve howe is one of the best guitar players in this genere, no doubt about it. Bill bruford(sry alan white!) is one of the best and most inffluentul drummers in rock. Anderson is one of the best singers in rock. Rick wakeman IS ther best keyboard player in music. notice how i say their one of the best. im not saying that all these guys Are the best, there just some of the best, in one swwet ass group! Same can be said for elp |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 19:51
Well I know they write the music together, I was just under the impression from what I've read in the past that Lee wrote most of the music as opposed to Lifeson... I first discovered the band this summer. Now I own Fly By Night, Caress, 2112, Farewell, Hemispheres, Waves, Pictures, Signals, GUP, Hold Your Fire, and Counterparts ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 20:19
Reed lover you are as unbelievably silly as Three fates and as blind to your faves but comparing any of these to the best musicians in the business namely the Yes boys is carrying your personal loves into the realms of fantasy. I'm sure if Clowny was around he'd agree with me
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Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 20:29
Only Portnoy, Petrucci and Myung attended Berkley, and they all dropped out after a year since they were making it big elsewhere, but totally agree that they are well ahead of the field in terms of technical ability, but in their absence I voted for Yes (and I'm only 19) ------------- We Lost the Skyline............ 
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 20:51
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A very wise decision Metropolis. My daughter's 17 totally into prog and has already seen lots of bands. The names you mentioned are very good musicians, but Yes are the masters of all and always have, and will be, even well into their 60's, but, great to see youth as you into the very best of music. Fragile |
Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 20:52
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Why thank you, that's good to hear, even if you are older than my mum
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 21:03
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Touche Metropolis |
Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 21:06
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I totally agree, i wish i could have grown up in the 70's, must have been amazing
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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 21:11
| me too. and live in california and be with all the hi[pppies! Then i could dance naked without ppersicusion. that would be heaven! |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 23:03
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I chose Pink Floyd, because of
1. Rick Wright - was the most universal keyboardist of all listed, while Wakeman, Banks and Emerson where playing ditties with their electronics, Rick was already creating atmospheres and soundscapes. 2. David Gilmore - his psychedelic licks deserved center stage in the biggest progressive band of all time. 3. Roger Waters - bass was more of a musical barometer than squeezing out notes as well as a vocalist that could write epics and concept albums. 4. Nick Mason - drummer with uncanny nack to pull it all together. a nod over ELP and Yes, with Gentle Giant the most advanced with difficult time changes and bizarre vocal arrangements. |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 23:17
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I'm with richardw here: there has never been a band of better, more versatile and virtuosic - the word specifically used by the creator of this thread - musicians than Gentle Giant. Does this mean Kerry Minnear is better than Rick Wakeman? No, but it doesn't have to. It simply means that Minnear is not only an excellent all-around, virtuoso keyboardist, but that his playing, style, etc. "fit" with GG as well as anything Wakeman did with Yes. The same for all the other musicians in GG. And let's not forget that each of them is a multi-instrumentalist, with Minnear playing keys, cello, vibes, recorder, glockenspeil, percussion - all at virtuoso level - and all the others playing at least five instruments at very high if not virtuosic levels. Thus, my order would be: Gentle Giant I also notice that only english-speaking bands are represented. Personally, I think the musicians in Deus ex Machina are easily equal to anyone represented in the poll. Again, based on the word "virtuoso" used by the creator of the thread. Peace. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 23:24
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Disco comes from the 70s. Punk too. Lots of good music, sure -- but plenty of mindless, irritating radio crap, too. Thermonuclear war threatened us all -- that felt more terrifying, or depressing, than amazing -- at least to me. We weren't all (3F excepted) running off to San Francisco, naked but for the flowers in our hair, you know. We went to school. We worked. We got killed in Vietnam. Our parents were likely stricter than yours, too. It mostly felt pretty normal and mundane at the time. Now the 60s, on the other hand, were one big acid-dropping orgy/love in! All was bliss! Even cats and dogs used to get along.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 23:40
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eh? i thought hippie power was still strong in that time? it wasnt. i made a really big mistake! and the comment about my parents not being strick:all i can say HA! YEA RIGHT!ps:i like the pinky color you added to increase the effect of hippie time 60's, you have talent! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 23:55
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Why everybody forgets about Steve Hackett, by large the prog' guitarist with better and more solo works. Hackett is by far more versatile than Howe, if you notice Howe has played Your Move and Clap as hsi solo pieces for more than 30 years in each and every concert without change, as if he hadn't anything more to impress the audience. Hes an awesome player but believe me neither of both tracks is really a challenging piece, both are in fact very simple, no comparison with Horizons and the two solo works Hackett plays in each cocert, because he hardly repeats a piece. My two cents. Iván
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 00:09
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Surely you jest... First .. Keith was like a combination of Tony Kaye, Rick Wakeman & Patrick Moraz all in one. He could handle a Hammond, any synth, and a grand piano... and even a grand piano spinning around in the air... never heard Tony or Rick do much decent piano work, and Patrick could do piano but wasn't all that great on a hammond... neither could Rick or Tony... so there is no way that any keyboardiest from Yes could compare talent wise to Keith Emerson... Second - Greg Lake - played bass, lead guitar and acoustic... sometimes all in one song... and he sang all the vocals (like an angel, no less). He had the hardest working guitar roadie in the business. Never saw Steve Howe play bass, or Chris Squire play lead or acousitc.. and both of them have no vocal talent... they just don't have the talent or the flexibility that Greg has. Then Jon Anderson's vocals sound like he's on helium or at least wearing extremely tight underwear most the time. So thats 3 guys in Yes that can't compare to Greg. Then there's Carl. Carl's just amazing... I think he's an alien, he has the fasted one handed drum roll I've ever seen... he's been classically trained on all percussion instruments including concert tympani, the glockenspiel, the xylophone, gongs, bells, etc, etc... He plays with more emotion than I've ever seen Alan or Bill play with. I think thats one of the main things that I know... you feel him when he plays... its emotional. So you guys can vote for your favorite bands... but I know that technically and emotionally... ELP will always be the best!!
And of course, the best looking group as well!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 01:19
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several of Rick Wakemans keyboards, synthesizers
and samplers were built and demostrated by Larry Fast of Nektar. Why is he not included as part of Peter Gabriels band? |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 01:55
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I went with the mass and chose Yes. They're all fantastic musicians. ELP came a VERY close second!
In a way, I was almost tempted to choose Asia because Steve Howe was an amazing guitarist, Carl Palmer THE great drummer, Geoff Downes was a more than adequate keyboardist (but no Wakeman or Emerson) and John Wetton was a brilliant bassist/singer, and I am a great admirer of what he did with UK, Roxy Music and King Crimson. I went for Yes however, because even though Asia had a ton of talent it was most definitely never realised in a Prog sense (but I do like them as a melodic rock band...NOT Prog!)  ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 04:20
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It's all about opinions but DallasBryan - Richard Wright ?? - Wakeman could outplay him with his feet !!!! Wright is effective but nothing he does with Floyd puts him on a par with virtually any other prog keyboardist (except perhaps Kaye)..... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 04:45
Couldn't agree more!! Alex Lifeson is a very skilled musician, as skilled as the other two at what he does. He gets overshadowed by the other two not because he is not as good, but because not many bass players and drummers are as obviously brilliant as Lee and Peart. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 05:02
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Of the above : Jethro Tull.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 05:06
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In the absence of Rush I voted Yes, but considered voting ELP. Neither Yes or ELP are among my favourite bands, but there is no disputing the immense talent of Wakeman and Emmerson. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:16
I first discovered Rush in Summer-the Summer of 1975......... -------------
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:23
Ye old git !!!! 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:23
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The point I was making (supposedly at the expense of 3F8Ts) was that we are naturally going to say that our favourite band/musicians are the best. As for which are the most technically gifted, that is difficult to quantify. Some bands:Rush, Yes, KC and ELP for starters,lend themselves toward more virtuosic playing because of their style.Bands like Genesis and Gentle Giant are more understated in their instrumentation. Quite often it is like comparing a Quarterback to a Running Back in NFL or Central Defender to a Striker in Football.And as ultimately fruitless. So anyway, which pillock thinks their favourite drummer is better than Neil Peart?
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:27
This one for starters : With Kind Regards Evil Pillock. ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:28
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Fancy sharing a bottle?
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:29
Yum Yum   ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:29
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I know that he himself would not agree with you!
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:30
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Chad Wackerman, sounds like a "fluffer's" name to me! -------------
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:30
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:32
Peart is one of the best, no doubt about it 
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 07:15
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Not my favourite guitarist but probably the best in the world at what he does. To coin a phrase from another great band 'Very heavy, very humble'. Just my opinion mind you. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Elephant
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 08:12
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Reed Lover: You are right on the money when you state that most people will post their fav musicians and not, from an objective point of view, the most gifted technically. Just dropping my two cents, I'd have to disagree about Neil Peart. The best prog drummer on the list is IMHO William Bruford. Not because he played in two of the greatest prog bands ever in the height of their days but because technically, really no one compares. Peart has some real nice chops and a great feel, but Bruford is a time-god. He can play in all signatures, when the rest of the band is playing in whatever other signature with such subtleness it's just unbelievable. Best guitarist on the list is Fripp or Gilmour IMHO. But there are far superiour players, such as Holdsworth or Steve Morse. Best Bass player would be Levin or Squire. But here also, can greater Gods be named. Thinking about Dave Larue, or even a Billy Sheehan.
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 08:17
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Looking like the Yes boys have taken the title, Rush could not be considered.. A) Because although lifeson/Lee are in the top bracket you would have to place Howe/Squire above them !!! B) From what I've heard Dream Theatre could well be better musicians also !!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 08:26
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IMHO, Carl is so much better technically than either Peart or Bruford... and see, favorite band and all aside, this is one area I know. I took percussion from 6th grade thru college.. I have a minor in college in music as a percussionist. And I love Bill Bruford... and even Peart.... but nothing any of them has ever done has made me go "How the hell did he do that???".... Carl made me do that all the time. Thats why I think he's a alien.... He's also the most hyperactive person I've ever known....
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 08:27
| Well. Looking at the results of poll, and reading all the comments, it is obvious that the list must be redone. I suggest that other person do the job, and start again. Please include Rush and Gentle Giant, and some other bands outside the british island... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 08:29
I was very impressed by the musicianship on Dream Theaters last album (Train of thought) Quite blown away, in fact. Their music is a little too heavy for my tastes these days, though. If they had been around when I was 14 I would not doubt have thought they were the best thing ever. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 09:47
| At the end of the day it is all about opinion Three Fates, but I still think you allow your involvement with Greg to blind you.Yes he was a terrific vocalist a very good bassist and guitarist but being multi talented doesn't mean your great at all you do.If so we must throw in Mike Oldfield, who is superb at all the instruments he masters.As for choosing betwen the keyboardists that's possibly the most difficult. I think you'll find ample evidence of Rick's piano skills on his various solo works but to split him or Keith would be the hardest.Squire is a remarkable bassist as is Bruford on drums.There will be many others we all favour, these are mine.Oh and lest I forget the greatest voice of them all Mr.Jon Anderson still touring and still as good as he ever was and that's simply viewing this from a singing point of a view.I really will have to listen to Gentle Giant, somehow I have missed them.Can anyone recommend what to listen to first. |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 09:55
What a fantastic piccy 3F. One of yours? ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 10:03
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He looks great for his age too. Didn't CP have some serious invasive surgery on his arms at one point. I think he was told that we never play again - certainly not to his old standard. What a brilliant turn around! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 10:08
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Nah, Sigod. I would of lined that piccy up better if it was mine... And to Fragile.. I felt that way about ELP long before I allowed Greg to blind me among other things.. And as much as I like Yes... Jon Anderson's voice??? ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 11:00
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Having been intimate with a member of a prog rock band does put TF in a unique position, however such attachment possibly invalidates her opinions, Every man on here will swear that his wife is the comliest in the whole of christendom, but it's very possible that one mans sweetie-pie is another man's "Dragon in the Kitchen".... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 11:38
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Swinton, Opinions come from ones experience in life yours mine everyone. Why would 3 fates be invalidated by getting to know the musicians no matter how intimately? That statement is ludicrous. Actually I think that makes her more of an expert of at least the bands she has traveled with. She she's things the public never sees the way they practice both individually and as a band. She sees how things affect their music. Acknowledging ELP is one of the most talented bands in Rock history I don't think individually they are the best players I have ever heard. They had people they listened too and learned from also Carl learned from Louie Belson and Buddy Rich among others who I bet if you asked ELP they still would think some of these guys were better than themselves. So to say they are the best ever is still your own opinion only, 3 Fates.
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Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 12:44
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Velvetclown. You're a man of rare good taste. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 12:55
Thanks Guv 
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Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:00
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:26
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Well according to the pros, this is going to be the guy who's gonna pass Carl, Bill & Neil. I haven't witnessed him live yet, but those at Nearfest last year, said he was the most impressive thing they saw all weekend...
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:35
Well Zappa sure knew how to pick em  Yes Donati is also one of the greatest  Barrie Barlow of Tull was also really special. ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 14:21
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I agree with all of that. BB is highly underated. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 14:50
Your statement is sort of an encouragement to me. I am a grandfather now,  and the older I get, the more I appreciate the past, ESPECIALLY when it comes to music.Yes, it truely was an amazing time for me personally and I think for western culture in general. I recall it being so exciting - especially in the early 70's - when all this progressive music was in the process of being created. Question #1: Will there be another cultural / philosphical revolution that will accurately emulate what transpired in the 60's and 70's as far as music goes ? Question #2: Are others as sick and tired as I am of the contemporary "dumbing-down" of western pop culture ? Thanks for your time fellow ProgHeads... "The most common and strongest battles we face are within us" |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 16:26
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# 1. In my opinion, NO, not to that extent, but I do feel that there is some return to quality tastes in music... I think that's why this forum is growing. More and more musicians are pushing into diversifying their music. # 2. Whilst the major media seems to be dumbing down, the underground movements are getting smarter and gaining recognition. Even in progressive rock circles, changes are occuring, sites for downloading music, on line warehouses and purchasing businesses are popping up left and right. It must be working or they'd have hit the toilets by now. I'm patient. ----------------------------- Reed, I'd take Vinnie, Virgil, Wackerman, Husband or Bill Bruford over Mr. Peart. Even Frank Zappa said that no one can play polyrythms like Vinnie Colaiuta. Check out Allan Holdsworth's Secrets. VC is incredible and I ain't talking about the clown. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 16:47
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 16:49
Sorry 
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:01
That´s ok, it was only : ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:13
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what about the mars volta, they have an immense line up of musicians, ikey owens is a godlike keyboardist, they have flea from the chilis and juan pulling off the immense basslines and even bass solos, f**king excellent lyrics and vocals, amazing guitar work from omar and john frusciante from chilis and john theodore is a beastly drummer. not to mention omar wrote all of this intensely complex and detailed music all by himself and got the others to play it. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:32
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Frenchie: Re GG, get Octopus, In A Glass House, and The Power and the Glory. Those are their three "must-have" albums. Threefates: I agree with you re Emerson. However, Lake is simply not the "virtuoso" bass player that Squire is. (I would say he is about equal to Wetton). Nor, as good as he may be, is he a "virtuoso" guitarist of any type - certainly not like Howe, Holdsworth, Fripp, Gilmour, even Hackett. As for Palmer, although I did not see them live, I have heard all their albums, including the live ones. Palmer is simply not the versatile virtuoso that Bruford is, or perhaps even Collins (if you include his work with Brand X). Palmer may be every bit as good at what he does (especially re "speed") as Bruford and Collins, but he is simply not as versatile or virtuosic. Velvetclown: I saw Wackerman drum with Zappa's band; he was somewhat "restrained," but amazing and tasty all the same. Re drummers in general, Peart is largely a "journeyman": he is highly technically proficient and generally tasteful within the bounds of what Rush does, but he is no Bruford, Collins, Palmer, etc. He may be a "virtuoso" solely from the point of view of technical proficiency, but he is not particularly versatile. Colaiuta is scary, and certainly a virtuoso in every way. That's my two cents... |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:57
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 18:12
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I am pretty sure the drumming community would be amazed to hear that Neil Peart is a "journeyman" drummer. Maani create a new award: "Bizaare Opinion Of The Week" and award it to yourself!
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 14:23
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Q. How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb? A. 5 - one to change the bulb and four to stand there saying that Neil Peart would have done it much better ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 15:04
lucky you! you discovered the band... twelve years before i was born! don'cha feel like a geyser?! ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 15:08
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Looks like one too!!!!
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:25
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Reed Lover: According to Webster's, a "journeyman" is "an experienced reliable worker or performer especially as distinguished from one who is brilliant or colorful." I maintain that Peart, as good as he is technically (and I do not argue this at all), is not a particularly "creative," much less "brilliant" or "innovative" player. Nor do I find him particularly "inspiring." Indeed, I find him very "machine-like," rather than having any emotional grounding or "charge." "Colorful?" Maybe, to a minimal degree. But he is, as the definition says, mostly "experienced" (i.e., technically proficient) and "reliable." "Journeyman" may be slightly overstated - but only slightly. Peace. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:35
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In the Uk a journeyman is someone not talented enough to make it at the highest grade. Could be a goal for the next 12 mnths Maani. Secure an interview with Mr Peart and inform him that in your humble opinion he is neither creative, brilliant or innovative. Have you ever listened to Signals or Test For Echo? As for the legendary drum solo-could be red-faces all round if he grabs a Grammy! Your opinion,which of course you are entitled to,is just that. You present it as received wisdom or a holy proclamation,my friend and that is what qualifies you for that award.
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