Only 3 Floyd albums worth a damn....
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Topic: Only 3 Floyd albums worth a damn....
Posted By: John Gargo
Subject: Only 3 Floyd albums worth a damn....
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:43
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...at least when it comes to progressive rock. First off, I know that this kind of a statement will tick off plenty of forum members, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Pink Floyd are ridiculously popular, within the prog rock realm and with fans of classic rock as a whole. The reason why I think non-prog lovers enthuse over this band (and can't stand stuff like Genesis and Gentle Giant) is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON. Forgive me if this topic has been done to death, but I just heard Money on the radio and I had to vent. |
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:46
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I totally disagree, have you ever listened to the entire Dark SIde of the Moon album? Do you know what is the meaning of "Progressive"? Or have you ever listened to "Atom heart Mother"? Or the incredibly weird Umma.....whatever, no matter how much I like these earlier Floyd albums, they are definitely Prog. |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:48
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It's just over-exposure. Money, Another Brick in the Wall Pt 2 and Wish
You Were Here are radio staples (well in the States, not in Europe) and
hearing anything played incessantly on classic rock radio is bound to
turn you off. DSOTM is a phenomenal album. Epoch-making stuff and one the seminal records of the 70s. Everything Floyd did from Meddle through to Final Cut is worth anybody's time of day. A great body of work. Then again maybe you just don't like Floyd. Fair enough.  |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:54
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I'd agree with arcer, but I'd say everything from "Piper..." through to "Final Cut" is great. Maybe "More" isn't so great, "AMH" has weak spots (Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast), and "Final Cut" is a bit like The Wall part II, but everything else shows a band strongly progressing and writing very strong and genre-defining Prog Rock - with only a handful of songs (mostly on "Piper...") as exceptions. |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 16:55
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Give me one good and intelegent reason why any of the albums I list are not prog, and "is pop music" is not a valid excuse for an album not being prog. Piper at the Gates of Dawn A Saucerful of Secrets Ummagumma Atom Heart Mother Meddle Darkside of the Moon Wish You Were Here Animals The Wall The Final Cut A Momentary Lapse of Reason Notice I did not list More Obscured by Clouds or The Division Bell since I don't think these qualify as prog, but those are it, everything else is prog. I promise. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:08
| They don't come much more prog than DSOTM. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:10
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Indeed. Dark Side Of The Moon is an awsome prog album ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Bodins/?chartstyle=DarkSide5Big"> 
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:16
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Floyd's are great. I love them and nothing/noone's gonna change that. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: Emiaj
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:24
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I've just gave away your 3 Floyd albums worth a damn
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:09
I agree, though I think TFC and "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" are excellent. Pink Floyd were always making PROGRESSIVE abums until TFC. Ehn...the term is useless anyway. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:19
| disagree... no need to say anything more, covered by everyone above |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:23
I think you're forgetting such progressive works as Echoes and Atom Heart Mother. Let us not forget The Narrow Way, Grantchester Meadows, Saucerful of Secrets, Us and Them and so on. These are epic (or mini-epic) prog tracks all the way. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:34
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! You make a statement like that and it makes me wonder if you even know what "progressive" even means. DSOTM is one of the greatest prog rock albums of all time. Yea, you say it is overrated (I disagree) but it doesn't matter. It is still a prog rock masterpiece. Have you even heard it all the way through, not just listening to Money on some FM station? Have you heard Atom Heart Mother or Meddle all the way through? You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion of yours is that it is a joke. |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:08
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Strange, for me, the Wall is one of their least progressive. It´s
conceptual, but not much progressive. The songs are more
straightforward and radio-friendly. If Atom Heart Mother and Meddle are not progressive, what is? |
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:10
 ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:14
| Meddle is extremely prog. |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:15
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don't agree John If the first side of Atom Heart Mother isn't prog then what is? Meddle is a great album and so is Dark side of the moon. I can't understand the logic of those who can DSOTM .Isn't the great gig in the sky a progressive masterpiece The wall is much less progressive ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:15
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F that- Echoes! ------------- |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:26
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Pink Floyd Album Breakdown
Psycadelic Rock: Piper at the Gates of Dawn Saucerful of Seacrets Ummagumma (Live) More
Progressive rock The Complete Zabriskie Point Sessions Meddle Division Bell Atom Heart Mother Dark Side of the Moon Wish You Were Here Animals
Pop Rock: The Wall Momentasry Lapse of Reason Obscured by Clouds (Its a soundtrack for a fil, so it has to be catchy and appealing to all)
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:37
| Hmmmmmmm, I love alot of Floyd's output but cannot rave as others do on their earlier works.Yes DSOTM is very good album but I much prefer Wish you were here.I do not hold them as highly in the prog echelons as I do others.They are fine musicians but their music is not as complex or involved as other top proggers;nor is it as good.They were always more accepted by the radio djs and media for some reason.Don't know if that was luck or what.But I do know they escaped the great purge in the UK around 1977 that savaged Yes only a year after they,(Yes) had topped every poll imaginable especially the Melody Maker's.This has been a source of discontent for me from that time.I still hold them dearly as they give me great musical pleasure.I loved the Division Bell but I cannot put them at the top of the prog hemisphere. |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:47
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Don't worry about Division Bell, it's nice but clearly not prog. They wanted to fully get rid of any of Roger's influence and by doing that they didn't include many new or creative ideas, just nice easy music. They showed that they can make good, not neccesarrily prog, music without Roger. Has it's prog moments though like on "Poles Apart". ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 20:12
I agree with you!!! |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 20:56
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If Atom heart mother isnt prog...then I dont know what it is... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Froth
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:09
This may well be your opinion but to be honest, it seems like your just trying to get a big reaction. Pink Floyd were an amazing band, thats why they are popular, no hype. I think this school of proggers who think its 'cool' to hate Pink Floyd are just coldhearted fools who are incaperble of feeling emotion and are only interested in hour long symphoneys feeled with guitar solos and stories of orcs being smitten by Elven warriors in a psuedo-christian, hollywood friendly epic, devoid of wit, intelligence, origionallity and the sort of emotion you find in bands like Pink Floyd. Once you actually live your life, you'll realise there more to than computor games and jive like that and you might understand the ideas behind albums like Dark Side of the Moon. Thats my opinion... would you rather i kept it to myself?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:13
| never been much of a fan of dark side or wish you were here. 50% of those 2 albums sound like commercial stuff. Kind of boring |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:33
Couldn't say it better myself, what a sheep he is, likes to follow the flock and hate Pink Floyd because they arn't prog to him, that's a great reason not to like a band. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:36
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i think pink floyd was amazing, all of their work. they are a prog band with a few mainstream moments. and you'll maybe want to notice that "money" is the only song i'll ever be able to think of, and probably the only song ever in the top 10 to be in 7/4 almost throughout. now prog is not just odd times, but it does show that they weren' ordinary in the least. pink floyd was progressive like it or not...and i'll agree with others stating that Dark Side of the Moon was much more progressive than The Wall, although I love both. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 23:38
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Pink Floyd 1967-1977 was as prog as they come Meddle, AHM, Dark Side, Animals - all brilliant, progressive album Pink Floyd is awesome (though not even in my top 15) ------------- 
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Posted By: Harold Dupont
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 01:17
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Don't get wrong for my picture, I'm a Floyd fan, but I don't say anything just to make them be good to anyone's ears. There's something that seems to be wrong in your mentality: when something goes on radio with all other commercial stuff, does it necessarly means that it's dirt? Who decided that Money and Another brick in the wall would be on the radio all the time?? Of course not Floyd when they composed... And I'll say like others, early albums are excessively progressive, and The wall, though it's a good album, isn't that much. Not because something is popular that it's noit good, don't forget that. Personnaly, I don't really like VDGG albums, even if I see and know that they are really good albums when I listen to them but their music doesn't touch me that much... Could be the same for you, but you should see the material and the emotion that are in Floyd's music... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 01:42
| DSOTM is a good album but its nowhere near the prog masterpeice that many would like to believe.Its an example of the type of prog where inspiration and energy is sacrificed for consistency and way too much (over) production. |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 02:05
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The wall is less progressive than Atom hearth mother, Medlle and DSOTM; Ummagumma It's boring also. If you can't stand Gentle giant and Genesis try with other styles, don't bother with prog |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 02:10
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I hate The Wall When it comes to prog, the Piper - Obscured By Clouds era is the best IMO. The most experimentation and progression happened then. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Dark Side was their most commercial album, second after The Wall in poppiness.Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 03:27
Ah, DTOSM. One of the most boring albums ever made 
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Posted By: edible_buddha
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 05:53
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Floyd broke a lot of ground in many different ways... As well as genre hopping in the process, some of their earlier albums tend to combine psychedelic and prog in such a manner that categorisation would be meaningless anyway (In particular, a good chunk of 'Saucerful...'). Not only that, they wrote music as a band, as opposed to being four 'virtuoso' musos... so there would be some rather uninspiring solo efforts that appear essential for the creation of some classic tunes... (Rogers bass in DSOTM has been mention by some proggers here as an example)... so there may be some confusion as to where to put this band. (thou DSOTM could hardly be placed as pop) Not all their stuff is prog, and previous posts where some have 'categorised' which album goes where are similiar to where I would place them if I really had to... But what they did to music has given bliss to soo many, that the 'prog or not prog' is almost irrelivant Anyhoe, 'Atom heart mother', 'Echoes', and the entire DSOTM ensures that the band is well place here So.....There. ------------- I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 07:53
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It's hard for me to think of Floyd as anything other than prog rock, even when it comes to their less 'progressive' albums like Division Bell. Their entire output between 1967 and 1983 was most definately prog. It may have lacked the techical intricacies of Yes, Gentle Giant & co, but Floyd had broken the rules of popular music. Their experimentation, blended with their extended play and ability to conjure up atmosphere and feel totally alien to all other pop and rock music made them prog by default. I think their best albums were Meddle and Animals.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 10:05
I agree completely. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 10:09
| Have you listened to "Atom Heart Mother" or "Meddle." I find these albums more proggressive than "The Wall." |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 02:56
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Echoes is surely more prog than anythig on The Wall. The Wall is still a rather good album. |
Posted By: Thufir Hawat
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 21:07
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Psychedelic is prog that’s why the band Is on this web site. I believe that almost All Flyod albums are progressive especially Dark Side of the Moon. How is Meddle not Prog? ------------- "I can't see through my eye lids" |
Posted By: dunguinha
Date Posted: January 19 2006 at 00:40
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Man ... you're crazy ,.. I dont think that you have ever heard The Dark Side of the Moon to the end ... ------------- 1 - The Dark Side of the Moon - PINK FLOYD 2 - Crime of the Century - Supertramp 3- Close to the Edge - YES |
Posted By: BitchBrew
Date Posted: January 19 2006 at 11:52
Prog... not prog.... who gives a sh*t? Its the qualite of the music
that matters. I know tons of non-prog music that will kick the sh*t out
of alot of the most famous "prog-music". Just because alot of the floyd
stuff dont qualifie as prog doesnt mean that it isnt good music. Jeeez
------------- The Mars Volta, Mike Patton, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Liquid Tension Experiment |
Posted By: flaxton
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 16:10
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progressive means progress. pink floyd progressed from their first album up until the final cut. end of story. ------------- flaxton |
Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 16:50
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Hmmm... Can't quite say I agree with you. Floyd had more than their fair share of prog brilliance throughout their career, and almost all of their albums are at least kind of proggy. For me, their proggiest (and best) are Saucerful, Umma, AHM, Meddle, DSOM, WYWH and Animals. I agree with many of the above posters that DSOM is prog, but I also agree with you that it is their most overrated album, and that the similar sounding WYWH is FAR SUPERIOR. Piper, More, OBC, Final Cut and DivBell are all somewhat prog, and I actually like many of these better than DSOM. Thier poppiest albums are The Wall (one of my favorites nonetheless, and it does have some prog aspects) and AMLoR (my least favorite Floyd album). Just my view. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 17:34
| dark side is borrrrrrrrrrrrring :) |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: January 20 2006 at 17:37
------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 07:09
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There was a time when some newbie would open up a thread about "DSotM is prog" and then quickly being taken down by anyone carrying a brain. Those times are apparently over. Are Pink Floyd good? Many people think so. Is the Dark Side of the Moon a progressive rock record? No, it is not. Is it an all round great record, technically, thematically, and production wise? Yes. |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 21 2006 at 07:35
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