Boris

I saw them live with Red Sparrowes a while back, and I would support this.  Not real likely to happen, though

Has been rejected quite some time ago already.

So I can't tell you the reasoning the team followed here, but listening to the samples I hear an experimental doom/stoner/drone band, very eager to experiment, but just like Sun o))) their experimentation isn't 'musical' or 'Prog' enough to fall within the parameters of the Experimental/Post-Metal definitions.

I admit this gives food for debate though, I wouldn't call Eno or Bass Communion very 'musical' or 'Prog' neither and still they are on PA.



Edited by Bonnek - February 23 2011 at 11:06

I don't know the music of any of those bands to give a serious opinion, but my first impression is that the post-metal tag is very fitting for Khanate, while it isn't for the other two because they pretty much gave up on melody, rhythm and harmony, which are still important elements in post-metal.

That's what genres will do for you. Adhere to them and you can be labeled 'Prog' (post-metal), challenge the genre and you'll get another label (like 'drone') and you're out

I could go on like this for a few more hours, which is really worrying

I agree with Colin here. Experimental/Post Metal does not dictate that bands need to possess rhythm, harmony or melody in any form to be included here. Even if they are supposed cornerstones of Post Metal.

Khanate is unanimously regarded as a drone doom band. The only thing that sets them apart from their peers is that their vocals are more prominent. 

I only know one song by Boris: it's Luna, avaliable in the Metal Swim compilation. It's a free download: http://ht.cdn.turner.com/adultswim/big/metalswim/mp3s/metal_swim_mp3s.zip

This song it's prog, to me.

Although they've been rejected, the previous times they were suggested were approached wrong, and brought the wrong music to the attention of the PMT.  Hopefully this makes it more clear why they belong here.

1) Post-metal track within two (2) years of Through Silver in Blood, which is widely regarded as the first post-metal album.



While one progressive (or in this case post-metal) track doesn't generally meet criteria for addition, it lays a foundation in this case because of how early it is. Listen to the whole song.

2) post-metal album two (2) years after that, with Flood.


If the intro is dragging on too much for you, skip ahead to about 14:40, and then again to about 34:15

Now, having one (1) progressive album does validate an artist for inclusion, so all you have to do is listen to Flood, see (hear) that it is post-metal, and add Boris.  The fact that they've released dronedoom, stoner metal, soundtrack music, electro-hard rock etc. doesn't even play into it, because of Flood.

Thanks.

I really love Flood. Some really nice psych/post influences with some great sludgey moments within. 

Andyman1125 wrote: I really love Flood. Some really nice psych/post influences with some great sludgey moments within.  However, the PMT has a few rules in regards to re-evaluating bands. Here's the process: 1 - new material is the first and foremost requirement 2 - one must explain why the new material is any more progressive or progressive at all to the team 3 - at least two of the five team members must agree on re-evaluating the act. 4 - unanimity is required 5 - admin approval is required 6 - the evaluation must be done regarding the new material only, since all previous material was considered to be non-progressive, thus making the band being previously rejected. I'm not sure any of their new material since the date of rejection is progressive, but of course I know virtually nothing about the band.

The fact that they've never actually been evaluated properly should, in essence, make it not count as re-evaluating.  Having somebody go "you should add boris yeah they play some drone but they are really good I think it's prog here is a video of a non-prog song" hardly counts as evaluating them.

In other words: you can't say that their previous material was deemed to be unprogressive because it wasn't even listened to.


Edited by Triceratopsoil - November 03 2011 at 23:49

My very first forum post here was about Boris, which TonyR so politely replied "Don't do it again".