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    Posted: April 28 2009 at 21:56
Some sort of outrageous debate has began in this thread. So if we must have this conversation, at least have it here so progbaby can keep talking about...whatever it is he's talking about.
 
But whatever he is, I think we can all agree he is astoundingly perfect. :P
 
Also, Zappa for Eclectic '09! The spirit lives on!


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Ah found it! I went with yes of course but the fourth option was a close second.Not so sure about eclectic but I'd be interested to hear others views.



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First vote for FZ is a progressive rock musician.  If you want details, I'll be glad to elaborate.

 
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If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is?
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Points: 7037 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2009 at 22:09
Outrageous indeed. Of course he's prog WTF. 
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In my conception of prog, as a limited symphonic/neo/perhaps Canterbury sense, not at all.But he's progressive, and that we still can't get past that hump in knowledge hurts my brain.

space/rock and psychedelic =/= prog music
jazz/fusion is often =/= prog music
progressive electronic =/= prog music

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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

First vote for FZ is a progressive rock musician.  If you want details, I'll be glad to elaborate.

 


Agreed.
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"If Frank Zappa isn't prog,then who is?"

This. Seriously.
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Absolutely. He barely lost his progressive edge when the "giants" were playing synthy pop tunes. His brain has been one of the most progressive, forward-thinking, creative, and unique musical assets of American history to date.

And I don't know about Eclectic, because the folks who run that thing get tetchy when you suggest any artist for inclusion (kidding), but I think he would make a much better fit in Jazz Rock/Fusion than in avant-prog. The avant sound pops up in his early stuff and some of his way later stuff, but the jazz elements are consistently strong from Hot Rats through to the very end, even a bit in the pre-Hot Rats albums. He has lots of different elements to his music, but jazz has always seemed to be the important one, the basis for his sound and style. (And avant-garde and free music are, in fact, often facets of jazz, too).
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He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist. 
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^ agreed. The question is too vague IMO ... it's a nice poll, but in the end it will turn out with "he's prog" winning and most of the people still posting things like "yes, but ...".
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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 02:22
yes. he was already prog by 1966

i also find his music very prog. he fits teh description of a prog musician

he just didnt take himself and his music too seriously
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist. 


From start to finish, Frank Zappa was progressive in every possible sense of the word. His early albums with the Mothers were a revolutionary mix of parodic pop and avant-garde. 1970s albums like ONE SIZE FITS ALL were first-rate symphonic prog. Zappa also recorded some of the liveliest "fusion" albums in existence. Later on in his career, his tendency to release triple albums full of guitar solos, and synclavier versions of Italian baroque concertos, was as proggy as anything Rick Wakeman or ELP ever did. And he left us with a bang: CIVILIZATION PART III is a dark, menacing and visionary concept album - the kind of music that will go down in history for being on a the same level as the music of Messiaen or Toru Takemitsu.
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PROG IS NOT A GENRE
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Had to go option 4. I am sick of even my own metal poll.
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Points: 25210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2009 at 06:08
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

He's certainly progressive, but I wouldn't call him a prog artist. 
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Prog! HUH! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Tongue
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No. Metallica is prog.LOL.
Frank is the "God" of prog. Any Questions.Angry
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Frank Zappa was an artist ! (and still is in our hearts) - among what he iss, he's a guitarist, a cpmposer, a philisopher, a world citizen...  shortly, we can't reduce Zappa as only a progger but he is certainly a real progger among all other things he is !
I will always remember you, uncle Frank !! Thumbs Up
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How do you spell progressive rock? Frank Zappa...that's how. I grew up in Canada, in the 60's listening to all of the invasions taking place in music. Sure I loved The Beatles and The Rolling Stones and all the others, but it was always the B sides that interested me. I found early on in my life that music was not only nice to hear but that it had a message in the words as well as the instruments played and the notes. I was easily hypnotized by music, entranced and transported so after a while the 3 minute AM radio standards no longer had enough meat to grab hold of. Hence my love for B sides and albums with long songs. Exploration took me to many places all starting at a store on Yonge Street in Toronto called Sam The Record Man. I searched through each and every stack and pile both front and center as well as those hidden and forgotten upstairs and in the basement. I can home with albums that I feel in love with. At first my friends thought I was nuts, or the acid was too strong and I'd taken to many hits. One such album that changed my life was the 1966 album Freak Out! In 1967 the entire hippy and experimental scene was at full speed and this album to me seemed to counter both sides, the establishment and the dreamy hippies. With Who are the Brain Police, Zowie Wowie, and Trouble Every Day, the album was 60 minutes of Progressive Rock I'd say...then came the album Absolutely Free which I'm sure would have given any parent an instant heart attack....The Duke of Prunes, Big Legged Emma, Brown Shoes don't make it....Frank in my eyes and ears was always at least 10-20 years ahead of everyone else, to progress is to be ahead or to move ahead of the rest, Frank certainly did that. He was and always will be a true musical genius and a founding father of Progressive Rock putting out a new album at least once every 6 months for 20 years, pretty amazing. I was lucky enough to have seen Frank in concert in Toronto and to this day I would like to see any artist interact with the band, the audience the way he did. We left awestruck and speechless.
I love Frank and miss him dearly. His musical theatrics mixing classical with jazz, rock, r&b and with something I don't think there is a name for...his emotional attachment to each piece, each riff and song can't be missed. He still fills every day with a progressive alternative to what the general public listen to.
His colaboration with Captain Beefheart, Don Van Vliet are also incredible and are no doubt progressive as well.
From those early days I listened with an open ear and mind into the 70's to further discover the likes of Can, Gong, Man, Amon Duuhl...
thank you Frank...
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