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    Posted: March 06 2023 at 04:06
Shane Gillis? He was unknown (by his own words) until he was hired by SNL. They find some Asian slurs, and the next day, they fire him, but he gets a ton of popularity and support from the stand-up community, and now his specials, or even appearances can get him millions. I think he's funny, especially with a group of friends.


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It never did Ricky Gervais' career any harm either to be politically incorrect at the Golden Globe Awards. Smile

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It never did Ricky Gervais' career any harm either to be politically incorrect at the Golden Globe Awards. Smile



I wonder if they'll ever call him back.. That was funny. I remember hearing about it, but wasn't that interested.
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Cancel culture isn't a real thing. It's just a buzzword that, much like 'woke', gets used and abused by right-wingers and grifters for attention/monetary gain and to rile people up against each other.
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Censorship is never good.  Cancelling anyone on either side is a bad thing. Free speech is a good thing.  Let people decide if the agree or disagree.  We don't need our eyes and ears protected from speech. We can figure it out on our own. 
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Censorship is never good.  Cancelling anyone on either side is a bad thing. Free speech is a good thing.  Let people decide if the agree or disagree.  We don't need our eyes and ears protected from speech. We can figure it out on our own. 
Censorship is usually bad, but sometimes people just deserve to get 'cancelled' (again, it's not a real thing). We don't need our eyes and ears protected, but on the other hand, producers/streaming platforms/venues/directors aren't obligated to hire/provide a platform for everyone. There's a difference between being censored and facing the consequences of your own actions, and that's where a lot of believers in cancel culture start conflating things.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Censorship is never good.  Cancelling anyone on either side is a bad thing. Free speech is a good thing.  Let people decide if the agree or disagree.  We don't need our eyes and ears protected from speech. We can figure it out on our own. 
Censorship is usually bad, but sometimes people just deserve to get 'cancelled' (again, it's not a real thing). We don't need our eyes and ears protected, but on the other hand, producers/streaming platforms/venues/directors aren't obligated to hire/provide a platform for everyone. There's a difference between being censored and facing the consequences of your own actions, and that's where a lot of believers in cancel culture start conflating things.


I agree. If you rob, rape, or murder someone, you should face the consequents of your actions.  As long as you don't slander/libel/defamation/Dox someone, than ALL speech should be allowed without censorship. You should be able to advance your opinion on war, medicine, culture, sex, ect...without companies or government censoring you. (Why Company's?  Because Government can put pressure on Company's behind closed closed doors)...  Just because you're anti-war or you criticize a political figure...the Electric Company should not be able to turn off your electricity. 

Twitter owner- Elon Musk released thousands of pages of Data ...proving that the USA government forced Twitter into censoring/canceling people. If Twitter took orders from the US government than we can be sure Google/Facebook/Youtube were ordered by government to censor/cancel.  Somebody's tweet should not cancel or censor somebody. If a person is crazy/mad/evil....I don't need companies or government to protect me from their words. I can figure it out.

 Is there anyone reading my words...Who cannot figure out if a person's  words are evil/false/dangerous?  
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

As long as you don't slander/libel/defamation/Dox someone, than ALL speech should be allowed without censorship. 
You shouldn't be locked up for it (although there are certain legal limits even there I suppose). But if, e.g. a person like Louis CK turns out to be an a-hole creep and venues or streaming services like netflix don't want to work together with him anymore, that's not censorship. That's facing the consequences of your own actions. I wouldn't hire him if I owned a comedy club.

"ALL speech should be allowed without censorship." is a pointless statement, because WHERE should that speech be allowed? That context is crucial.

For example, what if someone wanted to make a movie promoting nazism, and no streaming service or theatre wanted to carry it? Would that be censorship to you? Would that be a bad thing? If someone would make an account on ProgArchives and would spend all day writing posts calling Hendrix the n-word over and over should that be allowed? Banning him would be censorship, and censorship is bad, right? Clearly, there are exceptions and the topic of 'censorship' isn't so black and white.

And as for twitter. I've seen some horrible things on there. People spreading their homophobic, transphobic, nazi, pedophilia-promothing crap for all to see. I'd say get rid of people like that, and good riddance. You and I might be smart enough to see that that person is an evil person, but not everybody is, and Twitter has no obligation to host their toxic garbage and get others. Nobody is born with the innate right to tweet. Twitter is an independent platform, and if some hypothetical owner of the platform wanted to ban scum like that, that's their right. The problem is where you draw the line exactly. Of course, Musk is only busy with banning those who critisize him, and forcing his employees (the ones he didn't fire, at least) to create algorithms that boost his tweets and his tweets only. Seriously, you might want to read up on Musk if you think about using anything he's done or said as an example. He's seriously a piece of human garbage and a pathological liar.

Just last week on twitter there were tons of degenerates mocking and making fun of the death of a trans girl who got murdered, merely for the fact that she was trans. If you think Twitter should have an obligation to not permaban trash like that all because "censorship bad", you're just as bad as those who spout that kind of garbage in the first place. The problem is that some people are so afraid of "cancel culture" these days, that they'd literally defend nazis before they admit that sometimes, some people should just be shut up and be taught their lesson.


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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

As long as you don't slander/libel/defamation/Dox someone, than ALL speech should be allowed without censorship. 
You shouldn't be locked up for it (although there are certain legal limits even there I suppose). But if, e.g. a person like Louis CK turns out to be an a-hole creep and venues or streaming services like netflix don't want to work together with him anymore, that's not censorship. That's facing the consequences of your own actions. I wouldn't hire him if I owned a comedy club.

"ALL speech should be allowed without censorship." is a pointless statement, because WHERE should that speech be allowed? That context is crucial.

For example, what if someone wanted to make a movie promoting nazism, and no streaming service or theatre wanted to carry it? Would that be censorship to you? Would that be a bad thing? If someone would make an account on ProgArchives and would spend all day writing posts calling Hendrix the n-word over and over should that be allowed? Banning him would be censorship, and censorship is bad, right? Clearly, there are exceptions and the topic of 'censorship' isn't so black and white.

And as for twitter. I've seen some horrible things on there. People spreading their homophobic, transphobic, nazi, pedophilia-promothing crap for all to see. I'd say get rid of people like that, and good riddance. You and I might be smart enough to see that that person is an evil person, but not everybody is, and Twitter has no obligation to host their toxic garbage and get others. Nobody is born with the innate right to tweet. Twitter is an independent platform, and if some hypothetical owner of the platform wanted to ban scum like that, that's their right. The problem is where you draw the line exactly. Of course, Musk is only busy with banning those who critisize him, and forcing his employees (the ones he didn't fire, at least) to create algorithms that boost his tweets and his tweets only. Seriously, you might want to read up on Musk if you think about using anything he's done or said as an example. He's seriously a piece of human garbage and a pathological liar.

Just last week on twitter there were tons of degenerates mocking and making fun of the death of a trans girl who got murdered, merely for the fact that she was trans. If you think Twitter should have an obligation to not permaban trash like that all because "censorship bad", you're just as bad as those who spout that kind of garbage in the first place. The problem is that some people are so afraid of "cancel culture" these days, that they'd literally defend nazis before they admit that sometimes, some people should just be shut up and be taught their lesson.

1. Twitter/Google/Facebook/Youtube are the public square.  That's where modern communication takes place. The government/FBI threatened Twitter... if they did not censor views/tweets that they wanted blocked. Thousand of pages of evidence are available for you to read.  FBI was the spear tip of thousands of orders to Twitter to censor/cancel.  Free Speech protects everybody....especially the poor/meek/weak folks.  The most powerful government in World History ordered media platforms to censor/cancel.  That's Fascism.- Government and companies combining forced to control population.  

2. Defend Nazis? American government is supplying Nazis in Ukraine. with billions of dollars and weapons  One third of Ukraine military is Nazis (Tattoo's of Swatizka's, and Nazis flags displayed for anyone who wants to see.) Look up Azov battalion. When asked about the Nazis, Zellenskyy replied, "It is what it is."  

I can post videos of Ukrainian Nazis soldiers saluting the same way German Nazis saluted Hitler.  My point?  I'm glad I saw those videos, because now I know about the Nazis soldiers America/UK/NATO government's support. I'm glad Ukraine soldiers brag about being Nazis.  That way I can make up mind that they're evil.  The world is safer if we know who is evil...And free speech exposes EVIL. 


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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

1. Twitter/Google/Facebook/Youtube are the public square.
Which is exactly why they should be stricter with regards to banning scumbags and taking away platforms from those who don't deserve it.
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Obviously "cancel culture" is a thing or we wouldn't be talking about it. People just don't agree on exactly what it is or isn't. Same as "woke." Yelling at someone else and saying "my definition is the correct definition" misses the fact that language is dynamic and differs among groups.

This may seem like pointless philosophizing about the nature of language but culture and language are moving so fast now that we have to ask ourselves "what does it mean for me and what does it mean for the other person when I say xxxxx?" Because otherwise, you can't even have a conversation.

I'm a Gen X dad of Gen Z kids. We have some great conversations but the disconnects sometimes blow my mind.
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Cancel culture has become a universal term for anyone or group 'cancelling' something, it's mostly non-political.  'Woke' is a socio-racial & more serious version of political correctness.   Nothing wrong with either idea, it's the people that misinterpret.   Or that's my current take.

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'Woke' gets randomly applied to everything from paper towel dispensers to AI chatbots to Hershey's, as long as some culture-war pundit can get some hate-attention from it. It's literally a completely meaningless word at this point that has nothing to do with its AAVE origins anymore.
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^ That's mostly because RS sucks


Not mostly. TOTALLY!!!!

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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

'Woke' gets randomly applied to everything from paper towel dispensers to AI chatbots to Hershey's, as long as some culture-war pundit can get some hate-attention from it. It's literally a completely meaningless word at this point that has nothing to do with its AAVE origins anymore.

No it's not 'completely meaningless' to African Americans and the people that like and support that community.


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It seems to me the folks that scream the pejorative "woke" the loudest spend most of their time trying to cancel other people's voting rights, individual freedoms and reproductive rights, while trying to eliminate history that doesn't agree with their selective beliefs (facts be damned). They're the same folks that will say "my body is a temple" when it comes to eschewing vaccines, and yet try to govern away woman's right to decide what to do with her own body. 
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No it's not 'completely meaningless' to African Americans and the people that like and support that community.
Nobody uses it in that original definition anymore.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

No it's not 'completely meaningless' to African Americans and the people that like and support that community
Nobody uses it in that original definition anymore.

Says a guy in the Netherlands. 



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