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Poll Question: When did Genesis jump the shark?
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    Posted: July 15 2020 at 13:36
 OK, I may get beat up a little for this one but here goes. ( it's just for fun kids!) 
For The record I like some of these songs but they are definitely some of the the more pop Genesis tunes.
So when (if at all)  did they "jump the shark?"


Edited by Argo2112 - July 15 2020 at 18:13
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Genesis always had Pop inclinations from the very start. It is very difficult to have the same worldview when you’re 40, to when you were 22. I think they never ‘jumped the shark’, as the Pop side of things was a gradual progression a became the dominant styling. Hey, I love the full-blown Prog Genesis of old as much as the next Progger, but I always find time to enjoy Abacab or self-title at the drop of a hat.
Invisible Touch does push the friendship a little, but there’s still some complex things going on there.

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More fool me....truly horrible and grubby little love song by the despicable collins....
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

More fool me....truly horrible and grubby little love song by the despicable collins....
That’s harsh. Harkens back to their first album.
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I had to find out what "jumping the shark" meant first of all, and for me, it was everything from the 1980 Duke album onwards. Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

More fool me....truly horrible and grubby little love song by the despicable collins....

True, Not a great song but do you feel they ever redeemed themselves after that? 
 Surly most Genesis fan look at SEBTP as one of their better albums overall. 
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ummm.....  I think Greg nailed it in another thread...  Epping Forest...which was the chum n the water... which led to The Lamb which which couldn't even bother to swallow you.. but spit you out. Yuck...
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Idk, I think it's all good. No sense being mad about it all these years later, those prog albums aren't going anywhere and theres plenty of other music to listen to.
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There was always a pop sensibility hidden within the deep folds of their progressiveness, but the moment when that first came out successfully and deliberately was Follow You Follow Me. I enjoy the song myself, but it was meant to be the hit single it was. All other previous attempts were relatively fruitless. For example, I never heard I Know What I Like until long afterwards. Perhaps therein lies the difference between the U.K. and the west coast of the U.S.A.
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I love all of Genesis... But I find everything after ABACAB not as endearing.  I actually LIKED when they all wrote their OWN songs.  After they started writing together, it seemed more jam-bandy, poppy, and searching for a cash making riff.  

My preferred era of Genesis is Trick of the Tail to And Then There were Three (including Spot The Pigeon ep).  I think that is when they were at their peak.  Duke and Abacab were transitional and the Genesis album was the desperate for pop era when the did more GROUP composition (i believe).
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From Trespass forwards, Genesis' delivered the goods for me.  Ok, I don't have much time for CAS but my opinion of it now is better than it was when it was released.  The only song of theirs that I despise is Anything She Does from IT.  But no definitive shark jumping.  You just had to go to other groups in the 80's onward for prog.  Their pop rock was very good with some hints of prog on each album.
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How is "your own special way" that much different than "ripples?"
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

How is "your own special way" that much different than "ripples?"

 Really it's not that different. It's just one of the songs people tend to bring up when they talk about Genesis's 
transition from  a heavy weight prog band to more of a pop rock band in the 80's (with some prog flavor here and there)

I actually like some of the 80's stuff but they kind of lost me after the shapes ( S/T ) album.
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

How is "your own special way" that much different than "ripples?"

 Really it's not that different. It's just one of the songs people tend to bring up when they talk about Genesis's 
transition from  a heavy weight prog band to more of a pop rock band in the 80's (with some prog flavor here and there)

I actually like some of the 80's stuff but they kind of lost me after the shapes ( S/T ) album.

Interesting. I really like some of the tracks on Invisible Touch and think it is probably proggier than shapes but shapes might be slightly more solid over all.
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I'm going to say they jumped the shark with the lamb lies down on broadway. It was a double concept album with the weirdest storyline I've ever heard of and the live show featured Peter Gabriel dressed up in big bulbous bizarre costumes with warts on them. If that's not jumping the shark then nothing is!

For me the band selling out(or going pop) is a different story but that wasn't the question! Tongue


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Eh, no shark jumpery for me. I think there are great songs from Tresspass through We Can't Dance. If you mean to ask when did Genesis more or less become a pop band, I'd give it to Follow You Follow Me. Every album thereafter had at least an eye for the charts. Very little before then really seemed to care at all for chart success.
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after Steve left there were no song for song great magical albums---Duke comes closest-- there are good songs on all Genesis albums but CAS is a bit of a train wreak ---if they had collaborated with Steve could have been interesting---but they actually thought they could continue to be a popular hit maker with some proggy stuff-- without Collins--.
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