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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: March 03 2007 at 14:50 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
Sounds like it could encompass prog too. |
You forgot the main element PUNK INSPIRED in different degrees.
Prog is previous to Punk, so hardly can be Punk inspired.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 14:53 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Sounds like it could encompass prog too. |
You forgot the main element PUNK INSPIRED in different degrees.
Prog is previous to Punk, so hardly can be Punk inspired.
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Im not really talking about any literal meaning of "alternative" in a genre sense. Im talking in an alternative to mainstream chart music sense.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 14:55 |
^ that would be "independent". I know, these labels suck ... 
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 14:55 |
Radiohead is in a new genre: "mumble rock." 
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mothershabooboo
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 10:05 |
I was thinking about this myself when I found out that Radiohead was deemed prog by this site. Ture, they have some prog qualitys to them, but so does alot of other bands whom arnt on this sight (the Canadian band Arcade Fire for exsample, last time I cheacked was not on the sight, yet have more prog qualitys aboot them).
So I think the verdict will be unconfurmed for a while, if ever. Are they or arnt they? To me, they are not, but that does not make them a bad band. In fact, they are one of my favourit bands, but I persanaly dont think they are Prog.
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The Wizard
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 12:08 |
I think they are nowadays. I read an article in Mojo about the new songs they've been writing and they sound very progressive as far as their descriptions.
OK Computer is about as prog as modern Porcupine Tree to, except Radiohead have shorter songs and are far more creative.
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chamberry
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 12:40 |
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They are for me.
They're prog in a doing-something-new kind of way with some obvious hints on prog as genre as well.
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proggy
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 12:49 |
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Two Words for Radiohead : Porcupine Tree.
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Space Dimentia
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 13:11 |
Its like I said on thsi thread. Radiohead are prog, they try new ideas, they never stand still to be labeled whilst at the same time use things withoin their sound that hint back to 70's/early80's prog. Isn't that one reason why we love prog, because the bands never hung around long enough in a particular genre to be labeled or dabbled with differnt genres within the frame work of prog rock?
Radiohead are prog because of this reasons to me.
Am I right?
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micky
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 15:24 |
Space Dimentia wrote:
Its like I said on thsi thread. Radiohead
are prog, they try new ideas, they never stand still to be labeled
whilst at the same time use things withoin their sound that hint back
to 70's/early80's prog. Isn't that one reason why we love prog, because
the bands never hung around long enough in a particular genre to be
labeled or dabbled with differnt genres within the frame work of prog
rock?
Radiohead are prog because of this reasons to me.
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of course you are right. Here... have some clappies....
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chamberry
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 17:35 |
And if Micky gives you clappies you know you're doing things right.
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Nash
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Posted: March 04 2007 at 22:02 |
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besides I dont like radiohead very much, I dont consider them to be a progressive band
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 02:11 |
^ wow, could you be any more elaborative?
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 03:21 |
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OK Computer = prog
Kid A/Amnesiac = postrock
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 17:00 |
No. Mainstream Rock.
They uise studio chicannery to craete the appearance that they are more progressive than they actually are.
I love Radiohead, but far from prog.
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cookieacquired
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 21:18 |
radiohead is proggy(not too much), but definitely not pablo honey/ the bends
they're still good though
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Fight Club
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:07 |
Angeldust wrote:
I've lost my faith in humanity really.Don't get me wrong(i'm sure you will though) radiohead is much more prog than bands such as Flower Kings for example.Why's that?They're really pushing the envelope,creating marvelous ,experimental music based on rock (but not always) structures.They progress with each album , and even though they're not great players , they sure know how to play every note they think of..They're exceptional composers and they never created safe,easy music (apart from Pablo honey).Bands that copy the 70s prog sound nowadays, are not progressive for me since they never evolve and never create something new .I'm not saying that it's bad when you do it.But in my opinion that's the starting point and you have to draw inspiration from it .When you produce that sound for yourself that's fine , just don't say that you're a pioneer ! |
Exactly hence the actual meaning of progressive regardless of the sound most prog buffs are used to hearing.
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Fight Club
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:11 |
micky wrote:
Space Dimentia wrote:
Its like I said on thsi thread. Radiohead are prog, they try new ideas, they never stand still to be labeled whilst at the same time use things withoin their sound that hint back to 70's/early80's prog. Isn't that one reason why we love prog, because the bands never hung around long enough in a particular genre to be labeled or dabbled with differnt genres within the frame work of prog rock?
Radiohead are prog because of this reasons to me.
Am I right? |
of course you are right. Here... have some clappies....
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Hey Micky didn't you used to post on digitaldreamdoor.com?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:12 |
Fight Club wrote:
Angeldust wrote:
I've lost my faith in humanity really.Don't get me wrong(i'm sure you will though) radiohead is much more prog than bands such as Flower Kings for example.Why's that?They're really pushing the envelope,creating marvelous ,experimental music based on rock (but not always) structures.They progress with each album , and even though they're not great players , they sure know how to play every note they think of..They're exceptional composers and they never created safe,easy music (apart from Pablo honey).Bands that copy the 70s prog sound nowadays, are not progressive for me since they never evolve and never create something new .I'm not saying that it's bad when you do it.But in my opinion that's the starting point and you have to draw inspiration from it .When you produce that sound for yourself that's fine , just don't say that you're a pioneer ! |
Exactly hence the actual meaning of progressive regardless of the sound most prog buffs are used to hearing. |
That may be the meaning of the adjective progressive placed before a band, but PROGRESSIVE ROCK doesn't require to change or evolve.
Yes was Prog in the 70's and is Prog today.
Anglagard invented nothing new, they even refused to play with post 70's technology but they were 200% Prog.
Magenta is inspired in Yes, Genesis and Olfield but it's a 100% Prog band.
Progressive Rock is the name of a genre.
Iván
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Fight Club
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:34 |
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Yeah but originally it did require change and evolve and being truly progressive still holds to that. I don't require every band in the genre to stick to that though, because like you said progressive rock also describes the sound. The Flower Kings are progressive in sound, not as much in change and evolve. Radiohead was a step in evolution with modern music, but doesn't stick to the expected progressive rock sound.
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