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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 07:06
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think people who see a film before reading a book can give a fresh opinion on it.

For instance, I sat through Twilight on Saturday, and while my sister, wife, and mother were all thoughtfully discussing the finer points of the adaptation, I was able to sit there and go, "What the f**k is this sh*t?  No way in hell I'm reading it now!"

Good point, well made.Wink
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

The Snow Goose seems most obvious (I haven't read it). 


Yet you've reviewed the album!

How can you possibly give an informed appraisal if you haven't read the book on which it's based???

Quite easily. he listened to the album.


Brilliant!

So you would review the film of Lord of the Rings without reading the trilogy first, would you, thus having no idea whatsoever how well the film interpreted the book?? You could do it, but noone in their right mind would regard your review very seriously. "I enjoyed/didn't enjoy (delete as appropriate) this film even though I had absolutely no idea what it was about and whether the characters were accurately portrayed!" Or Bridehead Revisited. Or Skellig. Or any other great book that has been filmed. You just can't do it credibly.

Without reading Gallico's novella, you can't have a clue about the structure, moods and images Camel portray in their music, which is why many of the reviews of The Snow Goose are frankly so laughable.
Yes I would and.yes the review would be credible. You don't need to read a book to review a film. You watch a film to review a film. Thats why its a film review.
Do proffesional reviewrs read the book of the film they are reviewing? No  Do people who read magazines like "Empire" regard the reviews seriously? Yes they do.

Case closed!


Do you SERIOUSLY believe this?? Of course they read the book!!!!!!!! Any who didn't would be utterly discredited professionally. For a professional to review a film based on a book without relating the film to the book is absolutely unthinkable.

You obviously don't know any professional film/theatrereviewers (and I know several very well, including my own sister-in-law). Perhaps I'm naive to expect common-sense from everyone on this site.




I'm backing up Snow Dog 100% on this one. When you are reviewing the film, you are reviewing the film and not the book. When you are reviewing music, you are reviewing the MUSIC, not the book it's based on. Leave that to the book reviewers. Of course, comparing it to elements of the book would make the review more interesting to read, but it's not compulsory. Are you saying if the reviewer didn't know that the music is based on a book then he should be disallowed from reviewing it?

Thank you pessimist.

Hercules is not only rude but seems to be living in some strange fantasy world of his own.


Oh..and he is wrong!
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So I'm rude for pointing out that you are factually incorrect in your assertion that professional film reviewers would not read a book on which a film is based before reviewing the film? Listen to Mark Kermode on Five Live when he reviews any film based on a book (I expect you will have heard of him) and he always refers to the way the film interprets the book. All professional reviewers do.

Perhaps my naivety is expecting professional standards on an amateur site.

I always listen to Kermode and he hasn't always tread the book...comic...or watched the TV series or whatever. You see..Mark Kermode undrstands something that you totally fail too. Which is a film or album has to stand on its own legs, by its own merits. 

The fact that you say that all prefessional reviwers read the book first is utterly ludicrous to be quite frank.

If this site is too amateur for you, well you are free not to be involved.


Think about it...can you imagine a reviwer...with a deadline.. having to read Lord Of The Rings beforereviwing it? I mean....seriously?



If you review an album like The Snow Goose without having read the book you have a much more objective view on the music. If you have read the book and you disliked it very much, that will probably have a negative effect on the review of the album, while that review should be about the music. The Snow Goose is reviewed 340 times, and I'm sure the biggest part of those reviewers haven't read the book, but those reviews have the same value as the reviews of people who have read the book. You can't make a difference between those groups, as everybody has their own way of writing a review, with or without background information to the album. 
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Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

 

If you review an album like The Snow Goose without having read the book you have a much more objective view on the music. If you have read the book and you disliked it very much, that will probably have a negative effect on the review of the album, while that review should be about the music. The Snow Goose is reviewed 340 times, and I'm sure the biggest part of those reviewers haven't read the book, but those reviews have the same value as the reviews of people who have read the book. You can't make a difference between those groups, as everybody has their own way of writing a review, with or without background information to the album. 

If you have read the book, I'm sure it enhances ones pleasure of the album.

But I insist...an album must stand by its own merits!
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Supper's Ready is based on biblistic passages

and that Blind Guardians middle-earth album, based on silmarillion.

and Dream Theaters- The Ministry of Lost souls is based on a japanese manga ( not kidding , JP confirmed)
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

 

If you review an album like The Snow Goose without having read the book you have a much more objective view on the music. If you have read the book and you disliked it very much, that will probably have a negative effect on the review of the album, while that review should be about the music. The Snow Goose is reviewed 340 times, and I'm sure the biggest part of those reviewers haven't read the book, but those reviews have the same value as the reviews of people who have read the book. You can't make a difference between those groups, as everybody has their own way of writing a review, with or without background information to the album. 

If you have read the book, I'm sure it enhances ones pleasure of the album.

But I insist...an album must stand by its own merits!
 
BTW Gallico try to sue Camel for that work, what a Wacko




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Animals, by Pink Floyd, is based on Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I have almost no Idea what the book is about, but I love that album.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Animals, by Pink Floyd, is based on Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I have almost no Idea what the book is about, but I love that album.

Go ahead and read it, here is the link: http://www.george-orwell.org/Animal_Farm/index.html
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Yeah, I think if you're going to review a movie, you have to just see the movie. Now, if you're going to MAKE the movie, I'd say the least you could do is read the damn book...

As for the topic at hand, I might be totally wrong here, but BASED SOLEY ON THE COVER, I believe that Leviathan by Mastadon has something to do with Moby Dick.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 03:29
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Animals, by Pink Floyd, is based on Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I have almost no Idea what the book is about, but I love that album.
It isn't based on Animal Farm

But if anyone wants to come back at me and insist that it is. Well I'm not arguing, believe what you want.Smile
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Toto - Dune Big smile made for the David Lynch movie based verson of the Dune novels written by Frank Herbert

music made for a movie based on a novel.
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Points: 997 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 20:10
I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the album Christ0 of Vanden Plas is based on The Count of Monte Christo by Alexandre Dumas 
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 FRAMESHIFT "Unweaving the Rainbow" is base in Richard Dawkins' books on evolution
Nothing can last
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Animals, by Pink Floyd, is based on Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I have almost no Idea what the book is about, but I love that album.
It isn't based on Animal Farm

But if anyone wants to come back at me and insist that it is. Well I'm not arguing, believe what you want.Smile

No, I believe it was done just because they had purchased a fairlight CMI synth, which could sample anything and play it back on the notes of the keys. Hence the animal noises (sampled) and the animal names of the songs. Wikipedia does quote this as being losely based on Animal Farm, but I can find no references to Orwell's work in the lyrics- just another urban myth
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Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Animals, by Pink Floyd, is based on Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I have almost no Idea what the book is about, but I love that album.
It isn't based on Animal Farm

But if anyone wants to come back at me and insist that it is. Well I'm not arguing, believe what you want.Smile

No, I believe it was done just because they had purchased a fairlight CMI synth, which could sample anything and play it back on the notes of the keys. Hence the animal noises (sampled) and the animal names of the songs. Wikipedia does quote this as being losely based on Animal Farm, but I can find no references to Orwell's work in the lyrics- just another urban myth

Also Dogs, Sheep and Pigs weren't even the original song titles. Dogs was called Shaking and Grooving (or something, I haven't looked it up.LOL...hang on "Shaking and  Droolin'" maybe?)

Anyway...by changing the songs names to Animals makes a nice theme.Smile
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Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

Yeah, I think if you're going to review a movie, you have to just see the movie. Now, if you're going to MAKE the movie, I'd say the least you could do is read the damn book...

As for the topic at hand, I might be totally wrong here, but BASED SOLEY ON THE COVER, I believe that Leviathan by Mastadon has something to do with Moby Dick.

 
The original Leviathan was a mythical beast of a massive size and became a generic term for anything huge in the sea, from ships to whales so the album could have been about Moby Dick or a mythical sea beast or just a term for a massive output of sound as the word has come to mean anything huge. In book terms, John Wyndham's The Kraken Wakes was certainly on this theme. 
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Points: 7053 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2009 at 05:09
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

 

If you review an album like The Snow Goose without having read the book you have a much more objective view on the music. If you have read the book and you disliked it very much, that will probably have a negative effect on the review of the album, while that review should be about the music. The Snow Goose is reviewed 340 times, and I'm sure the biggest part of those reviewers haven't read the book, but those reviews have the same value as the reviews of people who have read the book. You can't make a difference between those groups, as everybody has their own way of writing a review, with or without background information to the album. 

If you have read the book, I'm sure it enhances ones pleasure of the album.

But I insist...an album must stand by its own merits!
 
Not always... I have read The Snow Goose and own the Camel album (okay, who doesn't) but I would not re-read the book for the gold of Croesus while I listen to the album every now and again with sheer pleasure. I could review the album easily without having read the book. Yet my views reverse when it comes to TLotR and the Bo Hansson album - IMO book beats music. Yes I know you can't really say a piece of literature is better than a piece of music and vice versa, but it's an opinion at least.
 
No need to insist. It's true. If you like an album and are inspired enough to read a book afterwards, great. If not, why should you have to? In order to gain an insight into a piece of music you dig already? i don't think so.
 
Oh and I know it's not a book but Queen's The Fairy Feller's masterstroke was more than based on a painting - the entire, extensive lyrics are a description of the work.


Edited by el dingo - July 08 2009 at 05:12
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I have to mention Kate Bush and numerous songs based on books from the obvious "Wuthering Heights" through "Cloudbusting" and "The Ninth Wave" (sort of).
 
 


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^That reminds me of Genesis' Wind & Wuthering that was inspired by The house of four winds and Wuthering Heights (apparently the book ends with the words ...unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth)
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'The Rotters Club' by Hatfield & the North, based on Jonathon Coes' book of the same name..

'I Robot' by Alan Parson Project, based on the Asimov novel.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by cobb2 cobb2 wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Animals, by Pink Floyd, is based on Animal Farm, by George Orwell. I have almost no Idea what the book is about, but I love that album.
It isn't based on Animal Farm

But if anyone wants to come back at me and insist that it is. Well I'm not arguing, believe what you want.Smile

No, I believe it was done just because they had purchased a fairlight CMI synth, which could sample anything and play it back on the notes of the keys. Hence the animal noises (sampled) and the animal names of the songs. Wikipedia does quote this as being losely based on Animal Farm, but I can find no references to Orwell's work in the lyrics- just another urban myth

Also Dogs, Sheep and Pigs weren't even the original song titles. Dogs was called Shaking and Grooving (or something, I haven't looked it up.LOL...hang on "Shaking and  Droolin'" maybe?)
 
Ravin and Drooling and Gotta be crazyWink

Anyway...by changing the songs names to Animals makes a nice theme.Smile


Edited by Alberto Muñoz - July 08 2009 at 13:59




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