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^Seriously ????
What are you doing man...standing on your head?
That list is really upside down and inside out in so many ways.
It could've been worse..... At least Love Beach - the much-maligned album that ELP fans love to hate - is way down the list in my Top 10. 
Maybe it has something to do with the tacky Love Island-style album cover. Tongue






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Do we have to be reminded of this cover? We're still in shock 45 years later. I'll post something below to clear the stench.

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I must admit, Trilogy isn't one of my favourite ELP albums, but at least it's in my Top 10. Smile

1. Works Volume 1 
2. Black Moon 
3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer 
4. Emerson, Lake & Powell 
5. Tarkus 
6. Pictures at an Exhibition
7. Love Beach 
8. Works Volume 2
9. Brain Salad Surgery
10. Trilogy

You are entitled to your opinion of course Paul.

I do think that Works Volume One is much maligned and very undeservedly so.

It has a proper classical symphonic work. It includes some absolutely brilliant jazz fusion stuff from Palmer and 2 great 'headline' ELP tracks on the group side. Perhaps Greg Lake's side is a let down although it's not bad by any means ( I bet it's your favourite Wink).  If in the modern CD age it was slimmed down a bit to 60 minutes it would be one of ELP's best. In the day it made sense to have a side each and keep the band together and the show they did at the Montreal Olympic Stadium with orchestra was their pinnacle.
I also believe that Love Beach was not the horror story made out by many. Lyrically (and visually TongueEmbarrassed) yes but playing wise its still on a high level. (IMO)
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I must admit, Trilogy isn't one of my favourite ELP albums, but at least it's in my Top 10. Smile

1. Works Volume 1 
2. Black Moon 
3. Emerson, Lake & Palmer 
4. Emerson, Lake & Powell 
5. Tarkus 
6. Pictures at an Exhibition
7. Love Beach 
8. Works Volume 2
9. Brain Salad Surgery
10. Trilogy

You are entitled to your opinion of course Paul.

I do think that Works Volume One is much maligned and very undeservedly so.

It has a proper classical symphonic work. It includes some absolutely brilliant jazz fusion stuff from Palmer and 2 great 'headline' ELP tracks on the group side. Perhaps Greg Lake's side is a let down although it's not bad by any means ( I bet it's your favourite Wink).  If in the modern CD age it was slimmed down a bit to 60 minutes it would be one of ELP's best. In the day it made sense to have a side each and keep the band together and the show they did at the Montreal Olympic Stadium with orchestra was their pinnacle.
I also believe that Love Beach was not the horror story made out by many. Lyrically (and visually TongueEmbarrassed) yes but playing wise its still on a high level. (IMO)

OK, yeah sure, each to his own...but better than " Brain Salad Surgery" or "Trilogy"?  That just seems like willful contrariness to me.
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Masterpiece! One of the favorites
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I'd put Trilogy on a par with BSS and the debut as ELP's three best and most consistent albums. They all sound quite different: the debut is classical and gothic, Trilogy is warm and romantic, and BSS is metallic and futuristic.
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Trilogy is a fine album, though  my favorite is Tarkus. I don't really like Brain Salad Surgery, I have tried it so many times, and can't appreciate it, though many fans do.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Trilogy is a fine album, though  my favorite is Tarkus. I don't really like Brain Salad Surgery, I have tried it so many times, and can't appreciate it, though many fans do.

Tarkus is my favorite as well. I know a lot of people don't like Jeremy Bender and Are You Ready Eddy very much - and I'm mixed on both as well - but that's only about 3-4 minutes in an otherwise amazing album, so I'm willing to overlook it. And of course, the title track is just spectacular Smile
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I own two copies of this amazing album, just different pressing variants both cut by the great George Piros (GP in deadwax).
The proper way to listen to this music.....Tongue



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Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

I'd put Trilogy on a par with BSS and the debut as ELP's three best and most consistent albums. They all sound quite different: the debut is classical and gothic, Trilogy is warm and romantic, and BSS is metallic and futuristic.

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BSS is my favorite ELP album-I find it to be the most cohesive.

Tarkus is next because the title track is so great.

Pictures is a sentimental favorite because it is such an unapologetic military attack on a great classic.

ELP is also great, although The Three Fates stops me cold in my tracks.

I really like Black Moon-it’s nicely cohesive-a real breath of fresh air to me after a series of duds.

I find trilogy uneven-the Endless Enigma is what resonates most with me, although the fugal section is a mess. The live version of Hoedown from Welcome Back My Friends is much better to me than the studio rendition.
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The first Progressive Rock album I liked - even quite a lot - and 50 years later, I still much do. Tongue







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If it's to be a wider discussion about ELP albums then they are all uneven apart from Works Volume One which was more focused but you have to put up with a whole side of Greg Lake ballads. It could be trimmed to a more manageable 60 minutes by losing a couple of tracks from Palmer's side and keeping one Greg Lake song ( the masterpiece Closer To Believing) but then you are full circle back to a 'normal' ELP album. BSS in my opinion is the most cohesive only because Emerson took a lot of creative control on that album (Lake didn't like sci-fi concepts and heavily electronic based music) . Trilogy is nicely balanced in ideas but does sound like 6 different projects were going on at the same time. That was admittedly the nature of the band though.
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Welcome Back My Friends to the debate that never ends. Come inside. Come inside. If you believe in The Power of Three, then you'll believe in the awesome Trilogy of Emerson, Lake & Palmer. If you include ELP's full Works, there were two short-lived offshoots of the dynamic Tarkus trio too: Emerson, Lake & Powell and Emerson, Berry & Palmer. I've been In the Hot Seat recently for showing some love towards the much-maligned Love Beach album - an album which was about as welcome amongst ELP fans as an ominous Black Moon on the horizon. The cheesy Beach Gees album cover and album title admittedly looks and sounds like a third-rate reality TV show, and it probably is. I'm thinking "Love Island", which is close enough. Anyway, I'm accustomed by now to having a mockery made of my crockery, so yes, I really DO prefer  the melodic romance of the  Love Beach album to the endless complexities of Trilogy and  Brain Salad Surgery - and that's not "wilful contrariness". Wink
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Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

I really like Black Moon-it’s nicely cohesive-a real breath of fresh air to me after a series of duds.

Fully agree with your assessment of Black Moon: it's a vastly underrated album that truly is a "breath of fresh air". Unlike most ELP albums, there are no dud tracks - they're all good! I'm aware a lot of the fanbase was alienated by the album because of no 7+ minute epics, but the songs are so strong that it just doesn't matter. 
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

I really like Black Moon-it’s nicely cohesive-a real breath of fresh air to me after a series of duds.

Fully agree with your assessment of Black Moon: it's a vastly underrated album that truly is a "breath of fresh air". Unlike most ELP albums, there are no dud tracks - they're all good! I'm aware a lot of the fanbase was alienated by the album because of no 7+ minute epics, but the songs are so strong that it just doesn't matter. 

I played the thing to death when it came out , it was great to have a proper new ELP release, arguably their best since Works Volume One. There are no dud tracks so you can play without skipping. The fanbase were perhaps more alienated by Mark Mancina's production that removed some of the bands fire in favor of a slick professional product fit for radio airplay. I liked it though and was actually disappointed they didn't play more of it when I saw them in Bristol.
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I also played Black Moon constantly when it was new. It was like a tonic after that horrible album with Berry. But no dud tracks? I always skipped "Affairs of the Heart" (too vanilla) and I began to check out during "Footprints in the Snow."

I still think Emerson, Lake & Powell's sole outing > Black Moon.
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