New Steven Wilson Album and Tour Announced

Just lurking.

Zeph wrote: I find Minnemann and Govan's contributions to SW's albums much better and engaging when it's part of better tracks. I think SW is very good at creating great songs and stories. When he threw some great musicians into the mix, it became something incredible (Raven, HCE).

Yes they are both incredible albums because of Marco's and Guthrie's input and when they went gold I'm sure you heard what Steven did???

From Marco's now deleted Facebook post. "Yes, some of the people involved in these productions had to learn through social media that these albums went gold. I seriously had no idea, so thanks for letting me know 😊. Well and what can I say, also at the end of the day they're SW's albums and he decides whom to share the success with. From what I've heard, some gold awards were given to one half of the band and the other half was excluded and not notified (very likely because of our decision for other band and touring commitments)."

And later this.. "Well, to be honest, Raven and HCE are the only gold awards in that catalogue, aren't they... And excluding us, just because we cherish our own band The Aristocrats and refuse to ass crawl, is kind of a dick move...."

Enjoy The Overview.

^I can see him and Fripp as Two of a Perfect Pair.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ I can accept that many of my musical heroes are actually not nice persons. I don't really mind too much, as long as it does not venture into violent crime ...

Tony R wrote: Just lurking.

Deadwing wrote: SW being dick is all over his career From early-PT where he calls Flower Kings the "death" of progressive rock, to this, and later on silent expeling Colin from PT.

richardh wrote: moshkito wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ I can accept that many of my musical heroes are actually not nice persons. I don't really mind too much, as long as it does not venture into violent crime ... Hi, In all honesty I don't see the issue, as it looks like most musicians were hired to play this moment or next moment and they got paid for it and that's the end of it. I do think that a little more honesty and care about each and every player would be nice, but as Mike says some are actually not nice persons.  Picasso was a famous one for that! And the Beatles had to get rude for folks to stop harassing them, and still didn't work for one of them! Paul went to the country to get away from it all! But somewhere along the way, things are gonna hurt ... and the more SW does that to some of the folks in his albums, the less available will be those musicians that make a difference, and SW will endup with young kids that are not very good, and his work and albums will suffer.  It's his own investment on his future, so let him have it! As time goes by, his impression will die off and his music be less and less important or even appreciated. I keep waiting for that one album (not just SW) that goes nowhere and folks just trash it ... it might not be nice, but it could be the much needed vibe coming back around. I think he has placed himself in an area where he feels folks can't touch him, since he can do it all himself and not need a record company or anyone else to distribute his work. Jon Anderson put out his best album last year since god knows when using young (fresh) musicians and similarly true of Neal Morse. There are many great younger musicians around who are desperate for a chance. Some of the newer names on the album especially Adam and Russell Holzman are brilliant but my main objection to the album is that it is trying too hard to fit into a vinyl format. The 2 sides are not even in terms of ideas with the shorter side is maybe elongated despite it being shorter while the longer side could have run longer for my liking. There will be many better albums released this year but few will be discussed as much.

Having listened to it a couple of times, there are a couple of things which REALLY annoy me (above all, the weird clapping in The Overview), but strangely enough I still think it's an A-tier release. I really enjoy listening to it.

Hi,

Edited by moshkito - March 23 2025 at 10:22

I often prefer to say that I did not grok something meaning that it did not resonate with me, I did not feel connected with it, I did not empathise with it, I did not get some sense of deep understanding and sense of "being" with it (it is not one with the body for a Star Trek reference). I love Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. "I did not get it" is an expression that can have different nuances and contexts. If I were to use it regarding music, I likely would be referring to the lack of connection I feel with the music. And sometimes it does take more than one listen for music to click with me. This can be because of my mood, distractions/ lack of focus, what I am most into at a given time. Sometimes I need to listen to music at the right time and in the right place (and in the right headspace) to "get" or "grok" things.

I have not heard the SW album yet, but will give it a spin anon. I still have only listened to eight albums from this year: Hesse Kassel - La Brea, Squid - Cowards, Niechęć - Reckless Things, Motorpsycho - Motorpsycho, France - Destino Scifosi, Richard Dawson - End of the Middle, Heartworms - Glutton for Punishment and Krokofant - 6.

Edited by Logan - March 23 2025 at 11:32