Roger Waters & middle East politics

^ Only in this case Israel is willing to give it away for peace purposes. See Sinai for example of what Israel is willing to do for peace.

tszirmay wrote: Dean wrote: The only reason the West is interested in the Middle East is Oil, and the only reason the West is interested in the Eastern Mediterranean Middle East is Religion. Remove those from the equation then it's just a whole pile of Sand and Poor Human Rights. We shouldn't defend any of it. There is no oil in Israel or at least, very little. There is religion though. But also nightclubs, rock concerts, festivals, and a lot of human rights. As far as sand is concerned, not quite. When you visit , like I did, the surprising amount of vegetation will astound you. The Israelis are masters at irrigation. In fact, it has been whispered , they helped Saudi Arabia via an Austrian company.

Er, Tszirmay, I think that Dean was being sarcastical and, above all, I think that his comment wasn't made for being interpretated literaly.

There is oil in Israel

CPicard wrote: tszirmay wrote: Dean wrote: The only reason the West is interested in the Middle East is Oil, and the only reason the West is interested in the Eastern Mediterranean Middle East is Religion. Remove those from the equation then it's just a whole pile of Sand and Poor Human Rights. We shouldn't defend any of it. There is no oil in Israel or at least, very little. There is religion though. But also nightclubs, rock concerts, festivals, and a lot of human rights. As far as sand is concerned, not quite. When you visit , like I did, the surprising amount of vegetation will astound you. The Israelis are masters at irrigation. In fact, it has been whispered , they helped Saudi Arabia via an Austrian company.  Er, Tszirmay, I think that Dean was being sarcastical and, above all, I think that his comment wasn't made for being interpretated literaly.

I wouldn't use oil for "internal use", if you see what I mean.

timothy leary wrote: There is oil in Israel

Many people automatically cry "Anti-Semitism!!!" whenever anyone criticizes the policies of the Israeli government. Those people are just wrong. The Israeli government does things which are just plain wrong and violate international law and human rights, and such abuses can and should be criticized. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jews; occupying foreign territory and denying basic human rights to the people of that territory is always illegitimate, no matter whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Also no matter whether you are a democracy or not.

Of course Israel has a right to peace and secure borders, but secure borders are always borders on which both sides agree, never ones which one side forces upon the other.



Edited by WeepingElf - November 01 2016 at 10:56

WeepingElf wrote: Many people automatically cry "Anti-Semitism!!!" whenever anyone criticizes the policies of the Israeli government. Those people are just wrong. The Israeli government does things which are just plain wrong and violate international law and human rights, and such abuses can and should be criticized. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jews; occupying foreign territory and denying basic human rights to the people of that territory is always illegitimate, no matter whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Also no matter whether you are a democracy or not. Of course Israel has a right to peace and secure borders, but secure borders are always borders on which both sides agree, never ones which one side forces upon the other.

No thanks... Oil and petroleum products , ce n'est pas la meme chose! 

Right! Facts suck, don't they ?