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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 02:11
King Crimson - Starless
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 02:22
Originally posted by addictedtoprog addictedtoprog wrote:

King Crimson - Starless
Or "Lark's Tongue in Aspic, Part 1", for that matter.
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Seven Stones - Genesis
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 08:18
Originally posted by addictedtoprog addictedtoprog wrote:

King Crimson - Starless
Actually took for page two to come around before someone mentioned what I thought was one of the most obvious choices. It's the one that sprang to my mind first. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 08:20
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Or "Lark's Tongue in Aspic, Part 1", for that matter.
More than one build up too! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 08:26
Marillion - Goodbye to All That
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 09:41
Just found some crescendos when listening to these songs that I love:
Vangelis - Heaven and Hell (third movement)
Goblin - Le Cacate Di Viridiana (final part)
 
And forgot about this really long one:
Steve Hackett - Shadow Of The Hierophant (final part)
 
 


Edited by Rick Robson - April 20 2015 at 20:24


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 10:28
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

 
And forgot about this really long one:
Steve Hackett - Shadow Of The Hierophant (final part)
  
I was thinking about this in the car yesterday as the CD happened to be in the player. It is a weird one in many different ways. 

First of which is that it is mostly created in the mixing desk, Phil Colins is beating several shades of sh*t out of his drum kit for the whole duration of the crescendo, no doubt hitting them as hard as drummers invariably do and therefore being as loud as any drummer can be, so when you compare that with the other musicians (organ, guitar, bass) you can hear that they are also playing at a constant loudness for the whole crescendo so the gradual increase in volume is created by the mixing engineer, not the musicians. 

In itself this would not result in a crescendo but merely a protracted fade-in. 

But something else happens, the tone seems to change too, becoming fuller as the volume increases - this gives the impression that the music is not fading-in but is approaching you (if you can imagine the band matching towards you). 

Again this effect would not result in a crescendo but a clever version of the lengthy fade-in (a bit like the famous oasis scene in Lawrence of Arabia). 

Yet this is a real musical crescendo because Hackett introduces more instruments as the piece builds up, adding more depth to the increasing volume (the choral voices followed by the dramatic power chords and then the chimes of the tubular bells)... 


and then as we approach the denouement... 


it quickly fades-out (but not as a diminuendo) to an anti-climax. 


Most strange but very effective in its own way. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 10:56
All the KC songs mentioned of course .....and there are probably several Moody songs also, but I always have liked  this track along with the whole album.
Alanderie by Fantasy..stats at 10.44 on this clip...as well as other places on the LP>
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2015 at 19:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

 
And forgot about this really long one:
Steve Hackett - Shadow Of The Hierophant (final part)
  
I was thinking about this in the car yesterday as the CD happened to be in the player. It is a weird one in many different ways. 

First of which is that it is mostly created in the mixing desk, Phil Colins is beating several shades of sh*t out of his drum kit for the whole duration of the crescendo, no doubt hitting them as hard as drummers invariably do and therefore being as loud as any drummer can be, so when you compare that with the other musicians (organ, guitar, bass) you can hear that they are also playing at a constant loudness for the whole crescendo so the gradual increase in volume is created by the mixing engineer, not the musicians. 

In itself this would not result in a crescendo but merely a protracted fade-in. 

But something else happens, the tone seems to change too, becoming fuller as the volume increases - this gives the impression that the music is not fading-in but is approaching you (if you can imagine the band matching towards you). 

Again this effect would not result in a crescendo but a clever version of the lengthy fade-in (a bit like the famous oasis scene in Lawrence of Arabia). 

Yet this is a real musical crescendo because Hackett introduces more instruments as the piece builds up, adding more depth to the increasing volume (the choral voices followed by the dramatic power chords and then the chimes of the tubular bells)... 


and then as we approach the denouement... 


it quickly fades-out (but not as a diminuendo) to an anti-climax. 


Most strange but very effective in its own way. 
 
Yeah right on, great point. You just reminded me of the interesting aspect of the gradual volume increasing, easily noticeable in this piece as you clearly pointed out, but I agree with you on its very effective result, and it was what Hackett really wanted, that dramatic atmosphere gradually overwhelming the listener.
 
I'm now wondering about its use in progressive music, I think that it is more common than I imagined, not so much in the case of other music perhaps, in Classical Music for example they would never have a mixing engineer to help them. Well, rather probably used in the contemporary Classical Music, I don't know.
 
I've recalled two orchestral crescendos that I love, performed by great prog bands:
Yes - Opening Excerpts From Firebird Suite (Yessongs)
PFM - live introdution of Impressioni Di Settembre  (off Da Mozart A Celebration)
 
In these crescendos there is some volume increasing but obviously applied by the performers.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2015 at 20:30

Bill Bruford was not on this album. Awww this is frickin' brilliant, Greg Lake and the harmonies plus instrumentals to me nothing beats this really. King Crimson - EPITAPH live In The Court of the Crimson King Steve Hackett & Greg Lake & Wetton - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaWdZIWTHg4&index=18&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwOz2Mxi8Ed1jFYTRqS3M7kJ xxxxxxxx

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2015 at 20:43
What about Swans' To Be Kind? That album has lots of awesome crescendos and build ups.

Edited by Imperial Zeppelin - April 20 2015 at 20:44
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2015 at 08:35
By the way I think it is good to mention some memorable passages in prog that are stunning crescendos too, but maybe I'm wrong and they are not crescendos, anyway they are very well known and at least for me are the highlights of the pieces, I love them:
     
In Pink Floyd - High Hopes, there is a beautiful little crescendo, better felt in PULSE's live version;
Final part of The Strawbs - Autumn ("The Winter Long" I guess.)
   
And from RPI again, just when listening to this superbly good moment yesterday, I found it is a little but amazing crescendo:
Final part of
La Maschera di Cera - Nuova Luce.
 
 


Edited by Rick Robson - April 21 2015 at 08:36


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