Magma |
Post Reply | Page <12345 17> |
Author | |
Pseud0
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 31 2005 Status: Offline Points: 415 |
Posted: April 04 2015 at 16:03 |
these rumors about him being a hitler fan are all well known for years. I mean just look at him in the 1970 video of them miming to Stoah, hes really just copying hitler's mannerisms. Honestly, i think he was just fascinated by the power/emotion of the guy as opposed to his ethics and wanted to capture that raw emotion when he sings.
also the cover of Bobino 81 is basically the nazi sports stadium. all these little things dont mean he is actually a nazi though...great art can often be inspired by terrible things/people/ideas. its very unlikely that a white supremacist would be OBSESSED with john coltrane (has dedicated like 10 albums to his memory), write tributes to otis redding, have pictures of elvin jones up in his studio, and be married to a jewish woman (stella is jewish) so i think its pretty clear that hes just a crazy eccentric person "oh coltrane, i can wait for you. you designed the light. you give me the songs, you give me the love. night and day" - solitude by offering
|
|
|
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 04 2015 at 15:15 |
Most Magma artworks are terrific. The 'claw' cover is superb. It's almost signifying an evil lava-flow pouring over the 'petty' human race and all their short-comings.
The emblem itself kind of reminds me of mystical, Asian temples, or some unique sect emblem. Be sure to look out for the alternate cover 1001 Centigrades, it's much more excitin than the grey background cover, it's bright, lots of reds and yellows, with purple. It presents the music in a much better way. |
|
poeghost
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 13 2013 Location: U.S.A. Status: Offline Points: 175 |
Posted: April 04 2015 at 14:59 |
Thanks for the replies.
Tom, at times Vander’s drumming does have a military sound. I’m not fond of that aspect of his drumming and prefer the other stuff he does. For instance I’ve been meaning to mention that I like the Santana-ish sound at the beginning of Kobaia and how he does it for punctuation and dramatic effects in that song and others. Jaz, I saw the little Nazi signs in the cover design, and I thought, as you pointed out, that the artwork was depicting the destruction of the earth because of all the bad stuff that was happening on it. (one of the bad things being Nazism) I suppose in the early 70s a group singing in a strange language that looked/sounded like German and dressed in black with a logo on their shirts would be scary and unusual to people. Though I don’t think the logo itself looks anything Nazi-like. I think it looks sci-fi. As you say, people didn’t understand what the band was about and misinterpreting things. I’ve read that Vander is a fan of and influenced by John Coltrane. I wouldn’t think that a Nazi white supremacist would be a fan of John Coltrane. I can’t imagine why he’d do an interview for a white supremacist publication. That was a bad idea. Getting back to the Magma logo emblem and first cover design, that is interesting what Hellogoodbye posted. I had wondered if the bird claw on the first album cover was what the logo emblem was supposed to resemble. But now Vander explained that it isn’t bird related. I wonder what the bird claw represents? The fingers of the claw look like molten magma sprawling out. It looks like smoke at the top. Could it be a volcano with lava coming down? Is this volcano claw there to put an end to the bad thing things happening on Earth? Another thing the smoke top and claw reminds me of is a nuclear blast cloud. Though I don’t think that is what it is. |
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 04 2015 at 06:00 |
All you lucky folks who get to see them in action...........
Strange how I've had the classic Live dbl. and Udu Wudu for almost 20 years, and when I listened to Hhai and Zombies, I didn't place those pieces in the E-Re album So much for me being familiar with them.............. The break-neck Zombies section in E-Re is just mind-blowing - entrancing, powerful and at boiling point. I just don't know what to say............ |
|
Nogbad_The_Bad
Forum & Site Admin Group RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 20745 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 20:45 |
Taking both daughters to see them next Saturday.
|
|
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
|
Pornstache
Forum Newbie Joined: April 03 2015 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 20:26 |
I love Magma, but I don't like how the singer rolls his Rs.
|
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 17:31 |
Your son will be 'initiated'. This will be his moment of profound revelation.
.......or he will be knocked-out by Vander's playing You guys are fortunate. Can't see Magma playing Down Under anytime soon. |
|
bhikkhu
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 09:53 |
Taking my son to see them in Chicago next week!
|
|
Guy Guden
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2014 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 04:36 |
As I understand it, Vander gave an interview to a French white supremacist publication called R & A, which didn't help his image.
|
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 02:10 |
^ hellogoodbye, - thanks for sharing this interesting info !!
They live up to their name alright............ Just listened to an Art Zoyd album, and they too, have elements of Zeuhl creeping in at times within their chamber/RIO style - strange vocalisings and wobbly, up-front bass, odd rhythms etc. |
|
hellogoodbye
Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251 |
Posted: April 03 2015 at 01:43 |
by George Allen, Robert Pearson, Published 1995-11-01
When I created it, I never thought of a bird. I had an idea inside about a symbol or emblem, and just wrote it down on a piece of paper, sketched it. The idea at the beginning was something like the dress of the Egyptians. It was supposed to be like a piece of cloth or articulated metal sheets that would mold over the body, over the ribcage. It was to be similar to breastplate armor, but supple, not rigid. Yes, it refers directly to lava. Back in 1966, I had written a piece and I was already in a band with Bernard Paganotti, who became a bass player. Already, I was searching for the right word. The tune I wrote back then was called Nogma. I was looking for the word Magma, but didn't know it was what I was looking for. One day the band didn't have a name at the time, and they were standing in front of a fairly-well-known club in Paris. The club management told me If you dont have a name, you can't come and play tonight. So we went for coffee, at the coffee shop next door. I thought deeply, you know, and the word Magma, came out. At the same time, I founded Univeria Zekt. I wrote this down on the receipt from the coffee shop and kept it. At the beginning, when I found the name, the name was bigger than me at the time, but it was inside of myself at the same time. I had to learn in time; I didnt know what it meant. And I kept on practicing to be at the same level as the name. And I am still practicing, to live up to the name and the evocation of the name http://effetlarsen.voila.net/ELinterviewvander.htm
|
|
Jaz
Forum Groupie Joined: August 31 2014 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 70 |
Posted: April 02 2015 at 23:34 |
Poeghost : 1) On the photo of the first album there is a little nazi cross in the people : the draw is an image of the destruction of the earth and all the bad things that the world generated !2) All the musicians are dressed in black with a red Magma logo (the claws) 3) They sing in "Kobaïen" that looks like German So some people don't understand and they hated the new concept and they think wrong ... |
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 02 2015 at 20:23 |
The 'big wigs' at my workplace are more Nazi than Magma could ever be.
Maybe they thought Vander's drumming had a militaristic styling to it, along with the vocal style. To my knowledge (which is bugger-all), Nazis were politically motivated bullies, Magma are NOT. And now to spin me E-Re. Happy Easter, everybody |
|
Barbu
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30850 |
Posted: April 02 2015 at 18:44 |
Ignorance is knocking at your door...you better ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun!
|
|
poeghost
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 13 2013 Location: U.S.A. Status: Offline Points: 175 |
Posted: April 02 2015 at 15:46 |
Really? What was it that made people think they were a nazi group? |
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 02 2015 at 04:21 |
^ Depends which album.....?
If it's MDK, then it would take a dozen listens to come around to it. I can't explain why this is the toughest one to appreciate...... Anything else (bar Merci), should only be 2 or 3 spins and then it clicks. They are 'difficult' to 'get', but once you do.......oh my, they are a universe-unto-themselves. My head is still spinning since I've acquired E-Re on vinyl - it is a superb recording from the get-go, then the LP version comes along. Just impossibly GREAT. This is something I can't explain, sounds excellent in CD format, then is beyond BRILLLIANT once on vinyl............obviously my stubborn (retarded) mind-set is at play in this situation. |
|
Watcher of the Sky
Forum Groupie Joined: May 25 2014 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 89 |
Posted: April 01 2015 at 15:02 |
I give a try to Magma too many times, I listen to the same album 4 or 5 times, and still didn't like it
I guess this is not for everyone
|
|
Nous sommes du soleil
|
|
hellogoodbye
Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251 |
Posted: April 01 2015 at 13:23 |
Magmazappa (MiX) |
|
hellogoodbye
Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251 |
Posted: April 01 2015 at 09:07 |
Listen to it the whole week. Not so much felicity as I hoped. I'll pick up E-Rë first.
|
|
Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 01 2015 at 01:51 |
|
|
Post Reply | Page <12345 17> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |