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Gandalff 
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 04:13 |
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There are three essential Prog/Fusion violinists. I cannot responsibly judge who's the best. Can you help me?
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 06:51 |
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Ponty
Goodman
Cross
Ponty and Goodman close, Cross a distant third. Cross didn't do anything outside of King Crimson did he? Goodman loses a point for those new agey albums even though I do like them. Gains a point back for playing in the Dregs. I do think his Mahavishu Orchestra work might be better than Ponty's. Still if you compare solo to solo, Ponty comes out ahead.
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 30 2012 at 07:23
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 07:46 |
Don't forget Steven Kindler, who played with Jan Hammer and the Mahavishnu Orchestra.
I'm a big Ponty fan, so I have to go with the Frenchmen. He is such an identifiable soloist and a pretty good composer.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 08:25 |
Of those, Goodman, then Ponty then Cross a long way behind.
But the best violinist is Charles O'Connor - prog folk fusion with the mighty Horslips.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 08:57 |
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Cross was certainly a good fit for Crimson at the time. I can't imagine Ponty or Goodman in that role.
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Manuel
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 09:40 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
Ponty
Goodman
Cross
Ponty and Goodman close, Cross a distant third. Cross didn't do anything outside of King Crimson did he? Goodman loses a point for those new agey albums even though I do like them. Gains a point back for playing in the Dregs. I do think his Mahavishu Orchestra work might be better than Ponty's. Still if you compare solo to solo, Ponty comes out ahead.
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Actually, David Cross has a band and a few CDs out, including a live recording. Quite good material if you as me, very King Crimson influenced, but has a lot of originality and inventiveness in his music.
All three are very good violinists, but I will go for Ponty on this one, with the other two very close.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 10:22 |
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Cross is still active? Cool. i thought he had retired. Always nice to see musicians who had dropped out get back in.
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Gandalff
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 10:49 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Cross is still active? Cool. i thought he had retired. Always nice to see musicians who had dropped out get back in.
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Nothing's easier than seek this information on this site or elsewhere. I own two Cross solo albums, "Testing to Destruction" and "Exiles". Although they're not too much original, I rate them nevertheless over Ponty's solo albums, which seem quite cheesy to me. And now I'm freshly listening Goodman's early band The Flock. Time will tell...
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 10:58 |
Gandalff wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Cross is still active? Cool. i thought he had retired. Always nice to see musicians who had dropped out get back in.
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Nothing's easier than seek this information on this site or elsewhere. I own two Cross solo albums, "Testing to Destruction" and "Exiles". Although they're not too much original, I rate them nevertheless over Ponty's solo albums, which seem quite cheesy to me. And now I'm freshly listening Goodman's early band The Flock. Time will tell... |
Well you have to know that there is something out there in order to seek it, don't you?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 12:15 |
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Easy for me - Ponty hands down.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 12:15 |
I vote for Jerry Goodman, very cool player. Can be subtle, and maniacal. Cross isn't really fusion. But then, that era of King Crimson was largely genre-less.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:15 |
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I went with Goodman as well. Sugar Cane Harris came to mind when i saw it was about violinists.Oh and the girl from Indukti.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:31 |
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I prefer Jerry Goodman over Ponty and that says a lot because Ponty IS that good. Cross fit nicely with King Crimson but is not in the same class as the other two.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:35 |
Mellotron Storm wrote:
I went with Goodman as well. Sugar Cane Harris came to mind when i saw it was about violinists.Oh and the girl from Indukti. |
Well, but both aren't from Jazz Rock/Fusion genre.
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 13:42 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Ponty
Goodman
Cross
Ponty and Goodman close, Cross a distant third. Cross didn't do anything outside of King Crimson did he? Goodman loses a point for those new agey albums even though I do like them. Gains a point back for playing in the Dregs. I do think his Mahavishu Orchestra work might be better than Ponty's. Still if you compare solo to solo, Ponty comes out ahead.
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Exactly! Cross had a few solo albums but thats it.
JL Ponty has a slew of albums that stand the test of time.....
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 16:25 |
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Ponty, although I do love Cross' work with Crimson.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 18:15 |
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I pick Cross, but not because he was in KC, but because I just enjoy his playing and his approach to the violin more. I understand Jerry and Jean-Luc are definitely more acclaimed and celebrated, but I love David's emotional, gloomy, stark way of playing. My second choice would be Jean-Luc Ponty for sure.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 18:18 |
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Ponty.
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Posted: January 30 2012 at 22:07 |
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Ponty
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Posted: January 31 2012 at 02:17 |
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Ponty for me
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