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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:08 | ||
Atavachron
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 03:49 | ||
Looks like the army was firmly with the Egyptian people today, protecting them from the Mubara-thugs. Right on !
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CPicard
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 05:35 | ||
^I would rather say that the Army doesn't support Moubarak and his regime. It's a slight nuance.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 05:41 | ||
Really? Nothing slight about it under the circumstances, seems to me.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 06:49 | ||
I see no one has started an Egyptian thread but that is where the discussion has turned. It's pretty much constantly in the news. I just hope they don't wind up with an islamofascist government.
"U.S. presses Egyptian army to bless talks with opposition"Egyptians Defy Crackdown With New Mass Protests State Department Approved Export of U.S.-Made Tear Gas to Egyptian Govt Talks are under way between the Obama administration and top Egyptian officials on the possible immediate resignation of President Hosni Mubarak and the formation of a military-backed caretaker government that could prepare the country for free and fair elections later this year, U.S. officials say. More Attacks and Detentions for Journalists in Cairo In the latest incident, the Al-Jazeera network said Friday that a "gang of thugs" stormed its Cairo office and burned the facility and the equipment there. Protesters throng Cairo, pushing Mubarak to go Edited by Slartibartfast - February 05 2011 at 06:57 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 15:47 | ||
^ There will be no Islamofacist government, I want to start my own revolution against the comical Western prejudice against Arabs, but it would be considered "adventurism" (<I.e. impossible). Iran = Persian, Shiite, different circumstances, Thousands of Miles.... Egypt = Sunni- opposed to Shiites, Arabs, animosity with Persians, not the same circumstances as Iran 30 years ago, and Muslim Brotherhood is a different thing entirely from the ayatollahs of another religion and country 30 years ago. I could go on, but suffice to say, western assumptions about Arabs are so far gone from the realm of rationality that it is largely pointless.
^^ As for the army's attitude. The army IS the government. Mubarak is the face of the military. The military plays friendly in their uniforms and tanks so they can find a new face once Mubarak is gone, so they are overlooked. Meanwhile thugs of the same government do what the dressed up soliders avoid doing. There are reports of the army on the 3rd, actually covering and protecting the thugs, as well, so their real attitude shines through sometimes. Its about tricking people! Obama (as Bush once did) and Mubarak and the think tanks, and military brass, all are focused on creating and controlling impressions. Hence National Prayer Breakfast, Hence Military Smiles and Military Regime Thugs in the same square. Edited by RoyFairbank - February 05 2011 at 15:51 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 16:37 | ||
They don't seem willing to forcibly depose him, which is a pretty big difference. THE WHOLE WORLD WILL START TO IMPLODE! |
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CCVP
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 16:54 | ||
Well, he got one thing right: the Northern part of Africa WAS a caliphate. But seriously, who is going to listen to a convicted rapist? Edited by CCVP - February 05 2011 at 16:54 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 18:16 | ||
This meme is stupid, and you didn't even do it right. Edited by Henry Plainview - February 05 2011 at 18:17 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 18:57 | ||
But why would the army forcibly remove him if that isn't necessarily the best course of action at this time? I think some important subtleties of what's going on are being missed by even the experts. Who would replace him that would not aggravate the situation further? The son is probably unacceptable in the long term (and once he's in, it could be hard to remove him), and if the army installs someone it's just another despotism in the making. Further, I suspect no single person or institution currently has supreme control. Events are unfolding, not as part of a plan but as they occur. - - and Beck's a very smart guy, it's a shame he allows his knowledge of history and jingoistic tendencies to cloud what could otherwise be a very well-reasoned analysis. Edited by Atavachron - February 05 2011 at 19:45 |
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ProgressiveAttic
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 23:57 | ||
First of all the word "democracy" means different things in different parts of the world... and it has a particularly perverted interpretation in countries of statist tradition such as Egypt... the protesters haven't made a clear statement of what they want to accomplish (what is their particular interpretation of "democracy"). It is true that Iran (30 years ago) and Egypt are very different but they have several things in common: *Oil dependent economies *A population highly dependent on the government *A growing Islamic fundamentalist sentiment amongst the population *Dictatorships linked to the western world -> A growing hatred against the west |
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CCVP
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Posted: February 06 2011 at 10:31 | ||
Since we are talking about faux news, why not use the Arab equivalent of such?
Interestingly enough, dats awsm. |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 06 2011 at 15:00 | ||
Al-Jazeera English is great. Even Arabic Al-Jazeera gets a lot of unfair hate because people are idiots. Nobody thought it was anti-American before 9/11, but TERRORISTS AGHGGHGHHH |
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 15:07 | ||
Mubarak makes his latest speech no sign of him going. The people in the square do not sound pleased.
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Help me I'm falling!
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 07:33 | ||
Many are marching on the palace, and the state TV station, now according to Sky news.
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The T
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 10:43 | ||
The world is made of more than Egypt you know.. but if you watch CNN you would believe otherwise...
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:03 | ||
Mubarak is out, woo!
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:11 | ||
If you watched the BBC, you'd think the same! |
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The T
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:20 | ||
No matter the country, the idea is the same: keep you entertained and blissfully ignorant of 99% of what's happening out there by making you focus on ONE topic a week...
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:23 | ||
Yeah they should be concentrating on important momentous stuff like what Palin says. Damn them after all these revolution thingies are two a penny
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