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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:37
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I absollutely disagree, his compositions are not Prog at all.

But now he's added, nothing can be done so i will say nothing more about him as i always do.

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We should add Stevie Ray Vaughan next. He can be in the proto-prog related since his worshipped and tried to emulate Hendrix.

Really...this site is getting too fat. And after the great plug in Classic Rock (from the other thread). This is becoming a music in general website. Soon we will have Michael Jackson in here because of Thriller. 
And The Kinks...since they have two concept albums.  Shocked I forgot...Ween has three concept albums. They'll be in here soon too!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:37
Mention of "Third Stone from the Sun" got me to check out that track again.  Haven't listened to it in ages (definitely time to dig up my old JH cassettes).  It does have a really nice Canterburyish touch to it too.  One may not consider it Prog, but it fits my progressive rock parameters.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:39
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Mention of "Third Stone from the Sun" got me to check out that track again.  Haven't listened to it in ages (definitely time to dig up my old JH cassettes).  It does have a really nice Canterburyish touch to it too.  One may not consider it Prog, but it fits my progressive rock parameters.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:41
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Ikarran?Confused


Nerd reference. Babylon 5, season one - an episode called Infection ;-)


I know a few fans of that series, but I've never watched it, so I am still in the darkWink...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:44
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I absollutely disagree, his compositions are not Prog at all.

But now he's added, nothing can be done so i will say nothing more about him as i always do.

Iván
 
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We should add Stevie Ray Vaughan next. He can be in the proto-prog related since his worshipped and tried to emulate Hendrix.

Really...this site is getting too fat. And after the great plug in Classic Rock (from the other thread). This is becoming a music in general website. Soon we will have Michael Jackson in here because of Thriller. 
And The Kinks...since they have two concept albums.  Shocked I forgot...Ween has three concept albums. They'll be in here soon too!


Oh well, another Ikarran frequenting this thread...

One might conclude your's is the mind with the virus. 

This is the only Progressive Rock site to call upon Jimi Hendrix into it's anals. Yes, as in bringing him here through the backdoor. LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:51
Hendrix has been a part of the artist list of Progressive Ears for some time already ;-)

And from the New Gibraltar site:

Psychedelic (Rock)
A major precursor to the progressive rock of the 70s is the psychedelic rock of the late 60s, which is too vast a field to cover in detail here yet is intertwined inextricably with its musical offspring. This genre/qualifier covers a large amount of territory in common with progressive rock and mostly concerns itself with a mind-expanding approach associated with hallucinogenic and surreal imagery and its equivalent musical relationship. Bands falling within this style are often cross-genre (see VIII. Unclassified for examples) and vary from the early pioneers such as the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd, Country Joe & The Fish, Small Faces, and Strawberry Alarm Clock to those more experimental and obscure groups that hinted the way towards future progressive music such as Silver Apples, United States of America, Mandrake Memorial and Fifty Foot Hose.


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The latter of which makes the addition into the Proto-Prog pretty obvious - or at least not remarkable..

That is - unless one have the opinion that the people at New Gibraltar and progressive ears doesn't have a clue about what they are doing that is ;-)

Oh - the Proggnosis website have Hendrix listed as prog-related.

So there's three rather influential websites besides PA that all have stated his influence on progressive rock one way or the other. All of them prior to the addition here.


Edited by Windhawk - April 14 2009 at 15:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:54
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I was not commenting on the instrument. Simply that his guitar playing was seen as a giant leap out of the blues, R & B ,folk & jazz cliches that made up most of Rock playing at the time. 
have you ever listened to any of Larry Coryell`s playing during that period. If there`s anyone who revolutionized guitar playing it was Coryell. It was just that Hendrix got more attention. All he really did was turn his amps up to eleven and cranked up some stupid  feedback and all of a sudden he`s a genius. Pete Townshend was doing the same thing ( listen to The Ox off the first Who album ).

Here`s a Coryell quote that I included at the opening of the bio I wrote a few years ago for the site :

" The greatest musician who ever lived as far as I`m concerned is Jimi Hendrix, but I hate him because he took everything away from me that was mine."

Coryell was playing circles around Hendrix stylistically in the late sixties man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:55
C'mon even if you dont agree with the addition, it's hardly a stretch to add Hendrix to Proto. To dismiss his first two albums as regular Blues should disbar you from the discussion on grounds of lack of knowledge,.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:57
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I was not commenting on the instrument. Simply that his guitar playing was seen as a giant leap out of the blues, R & B ,folk & jazz cliches that made up most of Rock playing at the time. 
have you ever listened to any of Larry Coryell`s playing during that period. If there`s anyone who revolutionized guitar playing it was Coryell. It was just that Hendrix got more attention. All he really did was turn his amps up to eleven and cranked up some stupid  feedback and all of a sudden he`s a genius. Pete Townshend was doing the same thing ( listen to The Ox off the first Who album ).

Here`s a Coryell quote that I included at the opening of the bio I wrote a few years ago for the site :

" The greatest musician who ever lived as far as I`m concerned is Jimi Hendrix, but I hate him because he took everything away from me that was mine."

Coryell was playing circles around Hendrix stylistically in the late sixties man.

Alternatively you could say that your quote proves that Hendrix should be here. Coryell-copyist or not, Hendrix was the attention-grabber and it is he who influenced so many Psych/Prog musicians.

Hendrix is a shoe-in for Proto-Prog, a no brainer!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:59
Far from regular blues but I can`t see any connection between Hendrix and art/prog rock except for the fact that he almost hooked up with Kieith Emerson in between the Nice and ELP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:03
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Far from regular blues but I can`t see any connection between Hendrix and art/prog rock except for the fact that he almost hooked up with Kieith Emerson in between the Nice and ELP.


No connection between Psychedelia, blues and Prog/Art Rock? You're posting in your sleep flyboy...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:11
I think it fair to include Hendrix as a progressive artist who played a role in the transition between Psychadelic Rock and Progressive Rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:18
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Far from regular blues but I can`t see any connection between Hendrix and art/prog rock except for the fact that he almost hooked up with Kieith Emerson in between the Nice and ELP.


No connection between Psychedelia, blues and Prog/Art Rock? You're posting in your sleep flyboy...Wink


yea he was also supposed to hook up with Miles Davis for a session or 2 the day he (Hendrix) died. which reminds me how much influence he also had on jazz rock guitarists during the early 70s and beyond.

Pete Cosey, haha. Or as i like to call him, Super-Hendrix LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:24
^ yeah but if one thinks he was added just because of being the greatest influential guitarist ever... people would have a reason to bitch about the addition.  As the bio noted thankfully... he is here because of the music.he did put out and relation to proto-prog as any good addition should. Otherwise we would add James Jamerson and all kinds of Motown to Prog Related.  James was the Hendrix of bass... you can trace his influence and style in every bassist that ever picked up an instrument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:26
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I absolutely disagree, his compositions are not Prog at all.

But now he's added, nothing can be done so i will say nothing more about him as i always do.

Iván
 
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We should add Stevie Ray Vaughan next. He can be in the proto-prog related since his worshipped and tried to emulate Hendrix.

Really...this site is getting too fat. And after the great plug in Classic Rock (from the other thread). This is becoming a music in general website. Soon we will have Michael Jackson in here because of Thriller. 
 
See I disagree with this statement. Stevie Ray, while emulating Hendrix, was also emulating a lot of other blues influences.  Stevie was a pure blues guitarist who did not stray from that path.  (Having seen him with Jeff Beck the year before he died is a one of my all time favorite memories but I digress..) Hendrix first three albums have songs of many varieties and are not strictly in the blues vein.  I will point to two off the top of my head that I think are pure proto-prog and that is Are You Experienced and If 6 were 9. Like I said in an earlier post.  I would have put Jimi ahead of a lot of bands on this site.
 

Lucky person to have seen SRV before he passed. Huge loss to the blues world, indeed.

Regardless, Hendrix being here is such a stretch. His quadProg pieces were unintentional drug induced creations and I believe is a leap of faith to think he intended a stab at progressive rock. 
 
Don't mean to laugh out loud but that last sentence could reflect any of the bands and their audiences between 1965 and 1975.LOL
 
 On another point is not so much did Jimi Hendrix write prog intentionally or not is the question did his work influence those we have come to know as Prog and the answer is yes. If you want to argue whether or not was it a minimal contribution over a great contribution go right ahead to say there was none is not correct.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:34
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Hendrix has been a part of the artist list of Progressive Ears for some time already ;-)

And from the New Gibraltar site:

Psychedelic (Rock)
A major precursor to the progressive rock of the 70s is the psychedelic rock of the late 60s, which is too vast a field to cover in detail here yet is intertwined inextricably with its musical offspring. This genre/qualifier covers a large amount of territory in common with progressive rock and mostly concerns itself with a mind-expanding approach associated with hallucinogenic and surreal imagery and its equivalent musical relationship. Bands falling within this style are often cross-genre (see VIII. Unclassified for examples) and vary from the early pioneers such as the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd, Country Joe & The Fish, Small Faces, and Strawberry Alarm Clock to those more experimental and obscure groups that hinted the way towards future progressive music such as Silver Apples, United States of America, Mandrake Memorial and Fifty Foot Hose.


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The latter of which makes the addition into the Proto-Prog pretty obvious - or at least not remarkable..

That is - unless one have the opinion that the people at New Gibraltar and progressive ears doesn't have a clue about what they are doing that is ;-)

Oh - the Proggnosis website have Hendrix listed as prog-related.

So there's three rather influential websites besides PA that all have stated his influence on progressive rock one way or the other. All of them prior to the addition here.
 
Not accurate Olav: This doesn't mean we have to follow other sites, but we shouldn't use his precense in other sites as an argument if ioit's not correct.
 
Let's see one by one_
 
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1.- GEPR doesn't have Jimi Hendrinx in their database, this is the H list

 
He is probably mentioned in one article but not added to their database, so not Prog or related for them.
 
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2.-  Progressiveears has Hendrix included but their system is different to ours, they include albums not artists:
 
And they say
 
Quote Along with Jimi's love for the Blues, Jimi also worshipped the song writings of a seminal figure on rock music, Bob Dylan, and on Jimi's debut, Are You Experienced?, Jimi would create on of the finest examples of psychedelia ever created during the entire decade of the Sixties. This was rock music's progression to it best, which still caught in it's caught in short song formation, but the advancement in technology helped open doors to the highly experimental mind of Jimi as a songwriter, and his outer world guitar pyrotechnics.

http://www.progressiveears.com/asp/reviews.asp?albumID=2964

And Live at Berkley 2003 (The only albums they mention,) but the word Progressive Rock isn't mentioned a single time....BTW: They also include Jerry Lee Lewis
 
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Web Site   AMG Entry   Samples  
   Last Man Standing (2006)
 
And William Shatner
 
Shatner, William
Web Site   AMG Entry   Samples  
   The Transformed Man (1968)
 
All quotes from www.progressiveears .com
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3,. Jimi Hendrix is not in Proggnosis database.
 
Brazil Prog-Metal - Sub-Genre Not Assigned Henceforth  (1)
USA Fusion - Technical/Progressive - General Henderson, Scott  (4)
UK-England Prog - RIO - Prog Henry Cow  (8)
 
As a fact they only add  three Jimi Hendrix Tributes because the artists who play this tributes are Prog
 
ARTIST INFORMATION:
These tribute albums containing the music of guitar legend Jimi Hendrix are filled with performances by prog & fusion artists.

PROGGNOSIS SELECTED DISCOGRAPHY
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2003
Voodoo Crossing: A Tribute to Jimi Hendrix
2004
Feature Recording   The Spirit Lives On Vol. 1 - Music Of Jimi Hendrix
This release has been reviewed
2004
Feature Recording   The Spirit Lives On Vol. II - Music Of Jimi Hendrix
 
So tributes to Hendrix by Prog artists are added to Proggnosis but Hendrix himself not, because they don't consider Jimi Hendrix related to Prog at all. 

I believe Hendrix has a case here, but we are the first site who considers Jimmy Hendrix an integral part of it's database, because Progressive Ears includes a lot of non Prog albums and the word Prog is not mentioned in any Hendrix review, that's a fact.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 17:05
Do they have Proto-Prog at these sites, if not then his omission is understandable.

Iván, you do understand Proto-Prog don't you? I mean you did write the definition...

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These bands normally were formed and released albums before Progressive Rock had completely developed (there are some rare Proto Prog bands from the early 70’s, because the genre didn’t expanded to all the Continents simultaneously

The common elements in all these bands is that they developed one or more elements of Prog, and even when not completely defined as part of the genre, they are without any doubt, an important stage in the evolution of Progressive Rock.

Generally, Proto Prog bands are the direct link between Psyche and Prog and for that reason the Psychedelic components are present in the vast majority of them, but being that Progressive Rock was born from the blending of different genres, we have broadened the definition to cover any band that combined some elements of Progressive Rock with other genres prior to 1970.


This seems to sit easily with the ProgEars review:

Quote Jimi's debut, Are You Experienced?, Jimi would create on of the finest examples of psychedelia ever created during the entire decade of the Sixties. This was rock music's progression to it best, which still caught in it's caught in short song formation, but the advancement in technology helped open doors to the highly experimental mind of Jimi as a songwriter, and his outer world guitar pyrotechnics.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 17:09
Okies - I stand corrected for the Proggnosis reference.

He's still listed at Prog Ears though:

Hendrix, Jimi
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One of the greatest innovators of the electric guitar, some may say he is the greatest guitarist of all time?


And he is referenced as a prog related artist at New Gibraltar, even if not included in the artist directory (which I didn't imply that he was either).

Still - it does disprove the statement made by someone else here:

"This is the only Progressive Rock site to call upon Jimi Hendrix into it's anals. Yes, as in bringing him here through the backdoor."

Which was my point.

I have no strong opinions about this addition one way or the other - but I am getting pretty tired of keyboard ninjas using every opportunity to ditch of vengeful spite whenever someone in here makes a decision they disagree with - rather than argue in a more reasonable manner like you exemplified earlier in this thread.
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