Bowie enters the Archives!

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: How sad if we rely on Amazon. instead of this site.   Iván

our job is to give them the info... we can't put the music in their hands...

micky wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: How sad if we rely on Amazon. instead of this site.   Iván our job is to give them the info... we can't put the music in their hands...

Garion81 wrote: jammun wrote: micky wrote: instead of 1977 maybe there is a case. ...  but the point that sort of trumps all is .. not whether they are prog related because ..really... who wasn't in the 70's....     But realistically, Boston, Styx, Kansas, Foreigner, Blue Oyster Cult, Journey, Toto, etc. can all be shoe-horned in to the prog-related category   *sigh*   Now I know how Micky and Raf felt about RPI.

  you poor Kansas fans... you all do have my respect for all the abuse you take.. 

that is the funny thing though...  who outside of prog circles considers Kansas prog... they are lumped together with those other groups by about everyone else... in the public mind they are not a prog band.. but an AOR band.  Yet it's funny how selective that logic can be... see... Kansas is not... forget the labels..you just have to  listen to the music.. but ahhhh.. that does not apply to all does it.. Nope...   a band was rejected here..  no names needed hahha.. because .. the main reason.. regardless of the music.. they were not thought of as a prog band.  

No wonder some people get so worked up... if people were consistent in their lines of thinking.. the prog world would be such a happy place hahhaha.

You said quite a lot in that paragraph Mick. In the end though the main problem is trying to define what prog is. So in that case a little knowledge is dangerous.   In my mind even a group like Chicago would have some merit in the archives because their most proggy stuff very few people would have heard.  I am sure to be crucified for that comment.

As for Kansas itself well it is mostly a matter of perception with some history.  Kansas were around a long time before Boston and the others even Styx.  Most people only hear the radio hits that happened about the same time these other groups happpened. Even if people hear the progressive side people think oh yeah Kansas just ripped off Yes, Genesis Elp etc. without knowing that the real influences were early Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Frank Zappa (60's) Touch, The Nice and VDGG.  Probably can throw in some Tower of Power, Jeff Beck, Cream, Free and Blood Sweat and Tears as well. Now that puts them into a different time line than people think.  The band existed in form or another since 1969 and several songs that ended up on albums were written in that time perid of 69-73.  They didn't get to record their first album until 1974 which was the first time they got their hands on a synth. 

 

But all that requires some research and  it is just easier to think Oh yeah Carry On 1976 and Dust in the Wind 1977 rather than Belexis, Myriad and Incomudro circa 1971-3.

There's the problem for us old school people.  I don't want a soft copy.

Garion81 wrote: Well I am old school jamman being 52 years old but I realize we are living in a different world.    Cost to much to drive to store now and I can dl one without the cost of shipping and tax.   Hell I even saw Liquid Tension Experiement and really enjoyed it so I think you can teach old dogs new tricks.

I have had several CD's go bad as well.  The key is backing up.  Cheap hard drives are readily available. 

As to Kansas they are already here in symphonic where they belong.

jammun wrote: micky wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: micky wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: How sad if we rely on Amazon. instead of this site.   Iván our job is to give them the info... we can't put the music in their hands...   How strange, I thought the main reason for PROG Archives was to promote PROG over non Prog artists?   Iván and that is what we do.... what we've always done... And this is exactly my point.  If I can't buy the CD, how can I listen to it and therefore comment on it or get excited about it?   My local independent CD retailer recently closed down (and I live in Seattle, I suppose nearly but not exactly a backwater).  Said retailer might have been able to find one of these albums for me.  But now on the local level I'm left with Best Buy, so if I want to get anything even somewhat out of the ordinary (and I'd say all modern prog save MV, Tool, etc. is out of the ordinary), I'm forced to go to Amazon.  If they don't have it, I'm done.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 01 2008 at 01:35

^ Oh yeah

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: This is what bothers me, Saturday we added the FANTASTIC Alex Carpani Band, 100% Progressive with an amazing debut album released 6 months ago and nobody has even cared to reply to the thread.   But David Bowie, a barely Prog Related artist that released his last proggy album 40 years ago is added and we have 65 replies.   We have a discussion about genres and two 100% Prog bands like TRICANTROPUS and URBAN TRAPEZE almost had no place because they don't fit in a genre, but Bowie is here.   The site promotes CONTRARIAN, another 100% Prog band, and we have people saying they shouldn't be promoted because they are Retro Prog Cheese, but David Bowie, not Prog with a lot of Pop Cheese (among some excellent albums) has 3 pages of replies.   Pathetic for a Prog site.   Iván