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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Topic: Boston??? Posted: November 11 2007 at 13:50 |
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Every once in a great while I think of a band that I just assume is included here only to find out that they are not. In the past, those bands have included:
The Who (later included as proto-prog)
Todd Rundgren (not included, but apparently could be if somebody was willing to step up and do a bit of work on it.)
So today I noticed that Boston isn't on here.
Ok, I'm not claiming that they are symphonic prog or anything. If they were eventually included I think that prog related (or just maybe crossover prog) would be their home.
I'd base their inclusion on the strength of their first two albums (especially the second one.)
Boston has claimed that they were striving for a sound that mixed the styles of Yes and Led Zeppelin. I doubt that you could conclude that they were entirely successful in this, but for those of you who can remember back that far, the Boston sound was extremely innovative at the time and aped a few laters by countless bands (including other prog related bands listed here, most notably Asia.)
So would you think that they deserving of inclusion as prog related?
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Raff
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 13:57 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Boston have been suggested various times, but people don't seem to agree about their inclusion. Remember that here we have to add a band's whole discography, and that would include "More Than a Feeling" too. However, you do have a point, and a strong one... If the Admins are listening, they might discuss the inclusion of the band in Prog-Related. As to Xover, I am not sure the team would agree.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 15:55 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Personally, I'd favour them (strange that until I voted there were no Yes votes). I believe a number of their tracks and albums have a relationship with Prog. "Third stage" for example is a complete concept album with some well structured songs.
The problem with this sort of poll is that even though they are being proposed for prog related, many will vote NO on the basis they are not prog.
With my Admin team hat on, just to clarify the Admin team don't instigate additions to Prog related, we provide decisions when someone comes to us with a definite proposal to add a band.
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sircosick
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:07 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That thing of the majority's disagreement when it comes to add a band is a known issue, isn't it? And Ghost Rider said: Remember that here we have to add a band's whole discography, and that would include "More Than a Feeling" too. And when they added Radiohead, didn't they think that implied to add "Creep" also? So, that's definately not the point.
As for their progressiveness........ I'd give 'em a chance in prog-related, since that "sub-genre" isn't prog but has some influences (as far as I'm concerned). "Foreplay" is an excellent hard prog tune IMO..... then, is that enough to include them? The answer isn't mine,,,, it's for the teams who are on that. |
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cynthiasmallet
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:11 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I say No. Once Boston are In, that will open the door for the likes of Journey, Toto and Phil Collins, which will lead to the likes of Chris DeBurgh and Barry White. Before you know it we will be crawling around on our hands and knees flinging our own s**t at our PC monitors.
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:16 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That was priceless!
Actually, of that list, I would say De Burgh belongs there more than any of the others. His early stuff was downright proggy in many ways, even now he manages to throw out the occasional proggy gem.
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Logan
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:32 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think that Boston would fit PR well, but am inclined to vote no as I tend to think that if a band ain't Prog enough to be seriously considered for a real Prog category, then it ain't proggy enough for this site. And I can't think of Boston as more than Prog-Related (even if I consider it to be definitely suitable for Prog Related due to some albums/ songs) unlike some bands in PR which I consider to have true Prog albums and some which are borderline Prog/Prog Related cases (which may fit Crossover, or may be considered for "stronger" Prog categories -- sorry can't think of a better way to put it now).
But I won't vote. Prog or bust[on]! haha Edited by Logan - November 11 2007 at 16:33 |
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 18:39 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
feeling like taking of a bite of this poor dead whipped horse...
why not.. can't honestly deny them ... they were defintely prog related. |
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 18:45 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ahhhhh.... no. |
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cynthiasmallet
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 18:49 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Having listened more closely to their works, i retract the s**t flinging comment from earlier this evening. However, I still don't think that they are proggy enough.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 18:53 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
They are the icons of AOR, that disqualifies them, it's just better POP than the average but nothing more, no way they should be added.
Iván
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 18:54 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Oh but that was the best post in this thread so far. You can't retract.
I've never been much of a Boston fan, but at the same time, can see that they took a lot of their influence from some of the heavier prog bands, so prog-related is probably a good place for them. They are definitely not prog though, xover or otherwise.
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 18:58 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
exactly .. though there will still be people that say they should be here because they aren't prog If they don't want these bands suggested.. they should have the damn Prog RELATED category.. but since they do... they should be there. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 19:04 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Not accurate Bob, it has been done before
The question here is clear it's askd if they are PROG RELATED, and 73% of the members voted NO. please Bob, we know how to read, i don't believe they are related in no way with Prog.
I believe the opinion of the members is clear,. Boston is no}tven Prog Related, the polls are clearly written, they mention Prog related, nopt Prog, so why must we assume people don't know what they are voting for?
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 11 2007 at 21:55 |
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 19:14 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
^ it's a good thing then we still have members here ...and an admin
team that actually evaluate groups fairly without just hearing a name
and a label and voting based on that hahahhah. How many groups
have failed such polls Ivan.. only to be voted in by a panel of
objective people... the admins. Those polls are worthless ...
always have been. We had people that wanted ELO not in PA's at
all... why... because they thought of the group as a disco group.
Enough said on the polls. Obviously the admins have never put
this up to a vote. They should.. if only to have the definitive
word on this.. so they aren't suggested yet again.
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E-Dub
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 19:23 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I fear we would be loosening it up a little too much if we allow Boston in. Personally, I like the band, but just because they have a big sound doesn't really make them prog.
I voted no. E |
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 19:29 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
that door has been flung wide open Eric... lets face it.... PR additions are 'if x then y'.. because they are not .. and can not be judged individually. Simply because you are not talking about adding a group IF they prog.. or rejecting a band because they are not prog. That is black and white has has nothing to do with any other group. PR is different... you are talking shades of prog.. and once the benchmark is established.. especially with well known groups... you either appear to be playing favorites.. or just doing a shoddy job if you pick and choose who is added or not. You have to ask... is Boston as Prog Related as some addtions ...if they are ...they should be here.. simple as that. IF not.. they shouldn't be. For what it's worth.. there were those who warned about the door being thrown open.. but the site is to be inclusive.. so that is what we have here. Edited by micky - November 11 2007 at 19:30 |
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sircosick
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 19:54 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That label of AOR is such a nonsense when it comes to add a band like Boston; they were responsible to resurface Classic Rock...... yep, classic rock more than "Pop" they are certainly (oh, neo-classic rock if you wish ). So I'd dare to say Boston is progger than Deep Purple, for example.... but only due to their protagonism on AOR scene, they shouldn't be added? I'm not promoting their addition; I don't even care about it..... I just love them. But there are points beyond their addition that need to be discussed IMO. |
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 19:57 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
^ exactly.... lots of things to dicuss... other than tossing stupid labels around
let's start with that bullsh*t about Boston being proggier than Deep firckin Purple |
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Posted: November 11 2007 at 20:23 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 11 2007 at 22:01 |
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