Phil Collins: we decided TONIGHT!

He drinks

there are two sides to every story.

 

Personally i think it was gabriel who wanted to go more commercial and that´s why he left. At that time with Kaye Banks in charge and a potential more important role for Hackett, Hackett forgot to put his 2 cents in, and he became obsolete, so then there were three.

 

with Kaye Banks pursuing a more straightforward style, influenced by the New Wave movement that started to flourish and inspired by Gabriel´s commercial succes, Genesis followed in that trail. Phil in the mean time was busy pursuing other interest with Brand X, maintaining a progressive style. In fact he kept his more commercial side for his solo project, but when that sky/rocketed Genesis, with Tony and Mike wanted their piece of the cake, so genesis allowed Phil to become their main writer in order to succeed commercially. hereby forcing Phil to leave the drumkit and focus on his role as front man, the only progressive element in Genesis at that time was Phil´s drumming )the rest was cut short by Tony and Mike.

 

So it isn´t phil that´s the evil genius, but rather Gabriel, Banks and Rutherford, with Hackett being a victim of the proces and Phil simply remaining true to himself.

 

so all is wel in paradise.

Edited by tuxon - February 12 2007 at 02:59

^ Tuxon, presumably Banks and Kaye are interchangeable?

Edited by richardh - February 12 2007 at 02:52

richardh wrote: ^ Tuxon, presumably Banks and Kaye are interchangeable?   The reason I don't like Collins as a person is because he adopted a revisionist view of rock history to make himself look cool in the eighties.I think most people realised he's a complete knob.That said he is a superb musician and certainly was the main reason Genesis continued after Gabriel left. Personally I like the albums Genesis made from Trick up to Duke. After that they obviously stopped being a 'prog band' but I gather it was a collective decison.Banks and Rutherford were as much to blame as Collins.I think we chose to blame Collins for it because he's such a prat.

More genius than any of us could ever aspire to be!!!

great drummer, and good vocalist also

Perhaps we stop excoriating Collins for his choices, admit that he has more talent in one of his fingerbones than we have in our entire bodies, and thank him for the great drumming in the 70s, at the very least.

Sheesh

Not sure about either, but he's caused more whining than the whole 'hanging chad' fiasco in Florida.

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Heptade wrote: Perhaps we stop excoriating Collins for his choices, admit that he has more talent in one of his fingerbones than we have in our entire bodies, and thank him for the great drumming in the 70s, at the very least. Sheesh

Aside from whether Phil is talented or not, I've always seen him a nice guy. I heard him in an interview in the 90s explaining to an interviewer that he could understand some people getting tired of hearing of him or his music, as it was gettting played quite a lot at the time, so he'd decided to cut back on projects. Not that he was putting down his music, just making a comment on overexposure.
Interestingly, I'm surprised that we haven't seen the usual onslaught of the quasi-religious Gabriel era Genesis fanatics who seem to see any mention of poor ol' Phil as cause for all out verbal war.
So maybe they cottoned on to the fact that they might have been suffering from a case mental constipation & verbal diarrhea, or they went on notice that there was an actual "real" world out there


As per Pye
We're just musicians, here to thin the thickness of your skin