And Then There Were Three...

You should be playing something like Marvin Gaye to new girlfriends, mate.You'll never get a shag by playing them Genesis.

chopper wrote: You should be playing something like Marvin Gaye to new girlfriends, mate.[IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>You'll never get a shag by playing them Genesis.

      I like that.

Fragile wrote:   Blacksword their time was over. I had been listening all through the early years until Trick which was a fine album.Wind for me was the start that the quality had begun to diminish.Then there was this next album.I don't doubt that through their subsequent releases there would be moments that brought back memories.But the product for me was indeed drivel.I cannot listen to it.Collins is not ome of my favourite people for what he did.

This is, may I say it, baloney. Phil's the bad guy now? Their time over? Huh? Not only preposterous but insulting too! If you know anything of Genesis music and their solos you'll notice they were all taking a similar route and furthermore I believe all credits (if you take the time to read the credits for all songs) will be Banks/Collins/Rutherford which is a clear enough. The route they took was their own, a group decision and what they liked at the time. Listen to Banks or Rutherford's solos of the 80's, 82 - Acting very strange, 83 - The Fugitive. I do find it quite shallow to criticise as if your own limited tastes are motive enough to limit the artistic freedom of the greats of music (for they are among the greats for sure!). They are artists and as such can decide to do whatever they like, even if you don't like it . I, in opposition, find the Genesis career very enjoyable as they include a large variety of music from the most progressive prog to lighthearted and sometimes even foolish pop (Illegal Alien... for example), I have no problem with that, none at all and listen to whatever part of the career I am in a mood to hear.

All this 'putting people in a box' and expecting them never to jump out of it is so... hmmm... egoistic, shallow and foolish that I want to puke .

I have a feeling much of the output that was lighter, more harmonic and less prog started appearing as the members of the group started falling in love, started their families and were inspired by those events. As I am in love, have a lovely wife and have a fabulous small boy, I have no phobia on the subject, a love song is beautiful and makes me think of my wife and kid and I enjoy it as much as any other Genesis song, it's not drivel as stated by some of the cynics here, I can see the beauty in it without any prejudice.

ATTW3 is the first album that takes a healthy distance from all the proggy subjects, no mice, cats, Lamia or squonks in that one, just people, love in general, a healthy fear of death (kids do that to you), animism, more down to earth subjects. I think many of the naysayers will change their minds and open up a bit once they really fall in love and start building a family, that will change and/or eliminate those phobias that make them suffer so much and close their minds to anything that resembles a love song (or similar) for example.

Greetings

Mogens

Fragile wrote: [QUOTE=Blacksword]^ Indeed, bloody keyboards!! [IMG]smileys/smiley7.gif" align=middle> Fragile: There is plenty of guitar on ATTWT. In fact Rutherford emulates Hacketts style quite well in places I thought, although I would concede the band did really miss Hackett. The strength of this album is the songs themselves; the melodies and the atmosphere. Try to imagine the production being more like 'WAW' and dropping a few of the weaker tracks and you would have an album comparable in quality to 'WAW' IMO. Yes, I'm enjoying Olias at the moment. It's taken me a while though. The production sounds well ahead of its time.[/QUOTE   Blacksword their time was over. I had been listening all through the early years until Trick which was a fine album.Wind for me was the start that the quality had begun to diminish.Then there was this next album.I don't doubt that through their subsequent releases there would be moments that brought back memories.But the product for me was indeed drivel.I cannot listen to it.Collins is not ome of my favourite people for what he did.

mgallard makes some good obseravtions about the subject matter on ATTWT. Ballads like 'Undertow' are really quite overwhelming emotionally IMO. I'll never forget the impact these songs had on me when I first heard them.

I respect your opinion, fragile but I certainly dont share it. It was not the end of Genesis, it was actually the beginning in the eyes of most people. It may have been the start of their decline as a prog rock band, but even then ATTWT is a strong prog album, which cleverly condesnses all the emotion, melody and power found in more epic length Genesis works, into a nore concise form. A song does not have to be 15 minutes long to be good. Neither is it a rule that prog songs must focus on Greek mythology, Hermaphrodites or Sci Fi to be worthy of the prog tag.

There are actually only two love songs on ATTWT, and yes they do happen to be the weakest tracks musically, but generally I'd say there are some stronger moments than on WAW and Duke.
    
    

Edited by Blacksword - June 30 2006 at 05:34

Can't agree, Idlanberg, I don't think it had to do anything with Phil Collins, it was rather the way Tony Banks wanted the songs to sound like during that particular time. Perhaps now he's change this or that, who knows ? I'm happy with it all the way it is... ah... I forgot to mention "The Lady lies" and "Snowbound"... what great songs... this thread really made me put on my japanese-vynil-cover-replica-cd-remaster of ATTWT again, thank you so much

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Edited by Fragile - July 04 2006 at 20:53

Some people just assume ATTWT is a pop album because it has short tracks.It only has one pop track in fact. ATTWT is an album that works fine.I still feel Genesis were trying to create something worth listening to.It was only when FYFM became a hit that they realised there was an opportunity to be more 'poppy' and get more girls coming to their concerts that their attitude started to change.They joined the MTV generation and sold squillions of albums.Can't blame them I suppose!

I'm their biggest fan (no really I am) but I don't think that TTWT is very good at all.